Justin has been banging in some pretty interesting comments on G-clubs. Most of them are in response to BBK’s post. Of course - don’t forget about tricycle. Hopefully Justin will bang out a full post soon.
Penfold’s part 2 is on the way.
Comment 1:
Pardon my apparent ignorance, but I have a very different view to the strategies behind TRYING (note the pessimism) to score with a G-Club girl.
First of all, the steps listed above are not fool-proof. More likely than not you’ll fail at the first hurdle if the guide is anything to go by - G-Club girls don’t usually give out numbers freely. Many of them do, sure, but the normal ones are there to earn a living and take it as professionally as you do the P4P scene. They know you’re there to bed them, so they strut carefully. If you’re a farang your chances are even slimmer, because (at the risk of sounding racist) the average pretty Thai woman invariably feel more at ease with fellow counterparts (ie, young, sanuk Asians) than a middle-aged, balding Caucasian. Believe me, they laugh behind your backs as much as we do theirs.
Secondly, some myths need to be dispelled regarding how G-Club girls approach the topic of handling a repeat customer for long-term benefit. Being rich is a definite advantage, but they’ve seen it all before. They earn enough (especially the hostesses) to be in a position of choice. In other words, if they feel uncomfortable with you or if you piss them off too much by being too horny upfront, they have every right to request their mamasan to change customers or simply refuse to end the “clock”, even if you’ve been requesting the same girl the past twenty visits. You don’t have them by the balls - it’s the other way around. They’ll hit their quotas with or without you, because most G-Clubs work on a tiered scheme where they get an extra 5000 baht for the next tier of 50 drinks. If they don’t hit the required tier for the month but are close, they will simply fork out from their own pocket to top it up - it makes economic sense for them to buy themselves into the next available tier. They don’t have to let you touch their tits to squeeze another vodka shot out of you.
Third, and perhaps more importantly, the girls talk amongst themselves. A lot. If you get into the habit of collecting numbers, very soon the entire hostess brigade will know what you’re up to, so on a practical level texting all of them before you arrive is nigh-on insane. Your reputation will plummet and with it your chances of landing a decent pussy. If you want to go out with a girl after the club closes, impress her during your stay. Texting her beforehand reeks of desperation and she’s likely to say no. Girls act on impulse - if she’s sufficiently drunk and having a great time with you in the club, she’ll invariably want to hang out with you more, so wait till the time is right then pop the question just before the lights come on. Not rocket science, is it?
My point is this: treat these girls as you would the regular ones you are likely to meet in the streets and you’ll have a better chance. They’re intelligent, trained to fend of men and are as apt in the sexual politics game as you are, if not more. Kudos to the many who have succeeded in either the Fast or Slow Way of doing things, but tackling G-Club girls is no different from trying to hook up with the hot stranger sitting opposite you in a bar - you need to be physically attractive, charismatic, humorous, the ability to blow a load of money in a single night, and most importantly, luck.
Comment 2:
I personally know a few decent G-Club girls (and their sisters) who pride themselves in not giving out their personal numbers freely. I’m inclined to believe them. Those with 2 phones are experienced players of the scene and you’re better off pursuing the others (newer and more inexperienced ones) for pussy, because you’re pitting yourself against the most battle-hardened ones of the lot.
I know it’s Thailand and anything is possible, but the truth is that hot Thai girls follow the same rules as those you find elsewhere - they’d rather sleep with hot young men than with us (I’m assuming most of us don’t fall into the under-25, Asian, lean and taut, brooding good looks and a-fortune-to-spare category). There are more handsome Thai men out there than you think, and many, many G-Club girls have serious boyfriends maintaining stable relationships outside of work. Surprise - they give their girlfriends their warmest blessings to work in G-Clubs. I know of 2 G-Club girls whose boyfriends’ occupations include that of a tattoo artist and a lead vocalist of a rock band. True story.
Invariably, some will get lucky with a hot G-Club girl willing to sleep with you, but your chances will be the same as hitting a regular bar trying to score a one-night stand. Officially, you only pay a G-Club hostess for her time and nothing else. She is not obligated to do anything else with you (other than the occasional holding of hands and hugging), but anything outside of the normal realms of physical activity and it’s anyone’s game. I’ve almost never seen hot girls in G-Clubs volunteering to french-kiss or grope horny, ugly or drunk Caucasians at the crotch, but maybe it’s only because I haven’t been to enough to fully judge.
Comment 3:
When I find myself agreeing with BBK’s comments as well, I realise that the both of us might well be guilty of generalisation. The G-Club scene is a massive one, and there must be close to tens of thousands of G-Club girls working the circuit. I’m sure both types of girls will fit neatly into either mine or BBK’s categories of descriptives, although I suspect most will fall somewhere in between.
I was romantically involved with a G-Club girl for close to a year and established intimate relationships with her network of colleagues, relatives and friends within this time. All I have to offer are snippets of what I believe to be true based on personal experiences. If all of you must know, I’m 28 years old, would like to consider myself as fairly decent on the desirability scale (even in The World), and Asian (born in Australia but raised in Singapore). Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve never seen G-Club girls in the exact same light farangs have - most, if not all, of them treat it like a job with the occasional occupational hazard (getting drunk, getting molested, indecent proposals). They wake up the next morning refreshed and ready to tackle another difficult day, most of the time simply trying to forget what happened the night before. They don’t set out to the club every night praying to “fish a big one”. They’re fairly self-sufficient and acknowledge the fact that it’s not an easy job, but they get paid a lot for it (on the average, G-Club hostesses fetch as much as 45,000 to 55,000 baht a month, ironic considering there’s a good chance they’re out-earning what new farang English teachers get when they first arrive in the Big Mango themselves). My ex-girlfriend took pride in decking herself up with the latest in fashion - Miu Miu handbags, Calvin Klein watches (non-copy, might I add), Chanel lip-gloss and the like, and I’ve seen her colleagues zip around in no less than Mazda 6s and VW Beatles (now how many of those have you seen around the city?). Maybe I was just unfortunate to end up mixing with the most hi-so of the lot, but that has pretty much been my experience the past year. Some of them have got farang boyfriends whom they first met in the club as customers, sure, but while in the agogo circuit when they almost parade you around like a prize, in G-Club land it’s considered “less desirable”, simply because (if you’re able to follow this warped sense of logic) it sort of relegates themselves to the agogo level of the night scene in the eyes of their friends. Decent Thai girls bring home decent Thai men. A G-Club girl friend of mine hesitated for half a year to bring her American boyfriend back to see her parents (he’s the best person I know, big heart and thoroughly serious about her) because it’s considered almost obscene (”It’s like telling my mother I sold my body for you”, she used to say to him) to have a farang by your side as a significant-other. I’m sorry to have to say it and I sincerely hope I’m not generalising, but to the middle-to upper-income earners in the city, farangs do not have a good reputation.
The key is not to see G-Club girls as high-class Issan-type hookers; they’re modern city dwellers who simply chose to work in a job that pays a shitload of money without them having to sell their bodies. BKK is right - they’re free to choose what they want to do, and some of them will invariably be a lot “looser” in their values, but there are a lot of others who take the other route too.
I must have been to all of the g-Clubs in bangkok over the last 6 years - this is a very accurate summary
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Obviously I live in the boring old US of A where we have a much more limited scene, but what you’re saying reminds me of strip clubs. I’m not a huge fan, but a lot guys in my line of work love them. Of course the girls talk to each other, of course they’re very savvy about what their customers want, of course they might be interested in meeting some customers outside of work but often not. Be tactful and show respect, if you’re asking her for something give her an easy way to say yes or now. If she wants something be polite saying yes or no yourself. Pretty simple rules.
Thanks for the comments Justin.
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I wrote these responses in the original thread.
What Justin wrote makes more sense when you understand it was more of a conversation between the two of us.
BigBabyKenny
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Response 1:
I agree with one general tenor of your comments—that G-Girls are free to do what they want. They are not GoGo girls who have to bang anyone who is willing to barfine them or the FL TG’s who hang out in Nana Parking lot and the Biergarten and make a living on volume—one ST/1500THB at a time from multiple men.Personally this is a plus not a minus to G-Girling.
That being said, what distinguishes Thai G-Girls from the same girls in The World is that the bar is set a lot lower and what the G-Girls value is a lot different than what the same girls in The World value.
You can read all the other posts that I have written but what it boils down to is that:
1)TG’s have proscribed opportunities compared to girls in The World. You are a young and beautiful TG. In The World you could expect to marry or boyfriend into a higher social and economic strata. Because of the class system in Thailand, TG’s can’t do that.
2)You are a young, beautiful, and intelligent TG. In The World, you could go to school become a lawyer, doctor, or business executive and bootstrap yourself into a higher social and economic strata. Thai culture and Thai poverty means TG’s can’t do that—Chulangokorn and
Thamassat are not filled with the exceptionally bright ambitious upwardly mobile genius sons and daughters of poor Issan banana farmers. They are filled with sons and daughters of the already rich and privileged on their way to taking their hereditary reserved places in the upper strata of Thai society.
Foreign men offer an opportunity that is NOT available to these girls among the general Thai population—the opportunity to be with a nice relatively affluent guy who views them within a much more humane and for them more pleasant framework than Thai guys and who offers the opportunity for a standard of living and life not available to them in Thai society.
Where I disagree is your thesis that you have to be young good looking and rich to get anywhere with G-Girls.
Maybe in The World you have to be young, good looking, and rich to have a chance with girls equivalent to Thai G-Girls but in Thailand, because of the proscribed opportunities available to women, you only have to be a decent human being with an average income by the standards of The World to be in the thick of things.
You can be 10-35 years older and average looking but if you are a decent guy, who dresses acceptably, with a modest income by The World’s standards, you will frequently be the standout candidate, both economically and spiritually, on the potential sponsor/boyfriend/Gik list for most G-Girls.
What you can’t be is one of the big fat loud dirty rude and crude, no manners, euro or white trash slobs that infest Nana and Soi Cowboy. For cultural reasons, normal Thai girls just don’t cotton to these guys.
BigBabyKenny
P.S. perversely enough, SMS’ing or calling multiple girls before you visit to see which are available after work sometimes sends out the right signal—that you are interested in pursuing some type of outside the club relationship. When this information gets shared rather than killing the action, it starts a competitive situation where one girl tries to scoop the other girls.
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Response 2
A couple of comments.
1) The girls don’t go to work everyday trying to “fish the big one” but there is a reason for this. It is an interesting exercise in a G-Club and in GoGo’s to take a close look at the male clientele. During a visit, I usually take one long close look at the other men patronizing the place. If you look around and ask yourself, “how many decent prospects are here tonight” the answer usually is “damn few” and, of course, when you scope out the girl lineup you can see that the competition for the decent prospects is pretty damned daunting.
I think most G-Girls don’t go to work everyday trying to “fish the big one” because frequently there is no “big one” in the house or if there are some good prospects there are still 100+ girls they have to beat their way through to get a shot. This is especially true at the non-foreign businessmen G-Clubs away from Sukhumvit. That is why I wrote in one of the posts that when a G-Girl gets a shot at a decent prospect she is usually excited and exerts herself to the utmost to take advantage of it.
2) I think the comment about G-Girls being embarrassed about bringing their farang friend is too general. Whether they are comfortable bringing you out to socialize with their friends and family depends on what type of farang they are with. If their farang boyfriend knows to show up dressed properly (usually this means business casual), looks like he has a decent amount of cash (which means being middle classed by The World’s standards), can say he has a decent job, i.e. is not an English teacher and/or works for a large foreign company, and stays within the norms of polite Thai society conversationally and behaviorally, rather than being hidden away you will find yourself being trotted out to be proudly displayed more often than not.
It is pretty universal throughout The World for girls to get off on letting their girlfriends and family know that they are pretty, smart, or lucky enough to attract, land, and keep a desirable guy. Thailand is all about face and there is nothing that enhances a girl’s face more than hooking a guy other girls would also like to hook—- and like I said in my earlier comment the bar for a “good catch” is set pretty low in Thailand.
3) G-Girls are not “high-class Issan-type hookers”. I agree wholeheartedly with your general description of G-Girls as being from a different population that GoGo girls—and that is whole point of G-girling vs. GoGo’ing. The girls are classier, know how to dress, are more wordly, are good for a variety of activities in addition to banging, they have more interesting friends and acquaintances, and are generally just a huge pile of good old fashioned wholesome girl type fun.
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Response 3:
Reading your last comment encapsulates what makes Bangkok generally such a fucking great place and G-Girling specifically so much fun. What you are saying is:
If you are a decent bloke who has some manners, can hold a polite conversation, wears long pants, shirts with sleeves and collars, and leather shoes and socks without stains, tears and missing buttons when appropriate, who thinks of girls/women as people instead of meat, shows girls/women a little respect, don’t have any weird off the wall sexual hang ups, are willing to spend $50 USD taking a girl out for a night of fun, and are not some sort of asocial wet blanket couch potato grouch, it is easy and straightforward to hook up sexually and spiritually with a smoking stylish sexy hottie 10-30 years younger than you who is “intelligent, sensitive, engaging (in conversation)and able to entice you in a way that no average agogo girl can ever aspire to accomplish.”
I can wrap my head around what you are saying and agree 100% with you.
And I’ll add my own comment to this thread.
Thailand is a fucking great place and I really really really enjoy being here—who wouldn’t?
What I can’t wrap my head around is the bitching and moaning, hate, and cynicism you sometimes see in the comments. I just don’t get it.
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Interesting piece. In my opinion this proves that the one bragging about collecting G-clubs girls phone numbers just doesn’t really know what he is talking about.
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Sorry if I’m missing something here… Could anyone please remind me what the reason was to buy a 40.000 baht membership in order to go into a place with working girls who are reluctant to give out phone numbers and go with you?
When it comes to getting hot girl’s phone numbers, Skytrain offers a decent rate of return, and it costs nothing. Plus, the girls there aren’t whores (ok, if you insist, G-club girls are not whores, but just in the business of entertaining adult men).
Oh, I got it’s it’s the smug-factor.
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My G Club discussion summary:
- GoGo Girls (for the most part)are obliged to go with you.
- G Clubs girls may, but don’t have to.
- Better looking girls are harder to score with.
OK? Next topic….
View all comments by doctorbond
i prefer meeting girls at bookstores. if anything, after you finish you can talk books. i’m usually found at the local B2S skimming the isles for the latest shit to read. it’s a great day when i walk out with some lit and a few numbers.
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UnCochinoWetback:
- You are 1 step away from picking girls up in a Library.
That is a can of worms you just don’t wanna open up on here!
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UnCochinoWetback:
… how about taking sociology and economic text-books into your local GoGo along with a portable reading light?
Dynamite !!!
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i’ve read about the library guide and thought it was retarded. bookstores are a different animal. you can go to the section you want and pick a girl based on what she likes to read or what she’s into instead of on what she has to read for class.
i’m not into crappy love novels so i leave those girls alone. if i see a girl browsing some ballard or marquez then i’m all over it. a few times i’ve gotten a girl come up to me asking for advice on which spanish book to get or what authors i would recommend and it turned into something much more than literary chat.
so in no way confuse library pickups with bookstore pickups since one group is there by choice most of the time and the other out of obligation.
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doctorbond- i usually take in a copy of “love in the time of cholera” and quote from it in Spanish to the dancers. i find the title appropriate given the location.
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at least now i know who that short-ass dude with the afro was hanging around the ramkhamhaeng university library the other day…
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fuck im slow
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uk - getting numbers is not too hard so nothing to brag about. the question is do they call you and do they meet u outside the club.
croc - it is cause most are not working girls but everyone seems to have a hard time grasping that. try talking to them sometime and u might learn why. they dont need to hook and they dont have a problem entertaining and hanging with people - they get paid for it and for many this is the extra bit of dough they need to get into a better shcoo, buy a car or have money to travel. many of them do. g clubs are just another layer and the girls are generally hotter, much better educated and when they do have sex - they want to have it. never understand why people cannot grasp the difference. if u want easy - stay away from the g clubs. no drama. why bash em? If girl is better looking and smarter why does everyone thing she is expected to act like a cheap suk whore? believe me they know the difference.
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“doctorbond- i usually take in a copy of “love in the time of cholera” and quote from it in Spanish to the dancers. i find the title appropriate given the location”
I bow to your erudition
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Thank you for giving me my own post. As much as I feel honoured and privileged to be given an official voice, I have to admit that I can’t give anyone much more than what I’ve already written. I’ve done my usual agogo and massage parlour rounds during the induction process, but being Asian it’s the G-Club girls that have always appealed to me. I can’t do regular reader submissions - I know too little about the P4P scene to be of help. it’s not all about the pussy for me.
I’ve included below, though, some random tidbits of information that probably might be of use to the new G-Clubber in the setting of early expectations. Trying to understand a G-Girl is pretty much like trying to decipher women - it’s a complex subject and no one can ever lay claim to be a guru in any specific area of discussion, but having been together (in a meaningful relationship) with a Thai G-Club girl for a significant period of my personal life, I hope to shed some light on a few points that might be of interest to a new G-Club explorer hoping to find a nice girl within their world.
1. G-Club girls are always, ALWAYS looking for a way out. Think of them as reluctant employees of the local labour force - they’re only skilled enough to do what they do now, but they don’t like it and are constantly on the lookout for re-training possibilities so that they’ll be able to change industries at the earliest opportunity. As far as my knowledge takes me, the farang-oriented G-Clubs always seem to stock hotter, more intellectually-engaging girls than the Thai-oriented ones because these girls are quick to realise that one of their key windows of opportunity to work a normal job lie in their ability to be proficient in English, so a legitimate reason to work in a G-Club is to learn English quickly through daily verbal interaction with farang customers. Strange reasoning, but not without logic.
While an ex-agogo girl will crawl back to their bar jobs at the first hints of a cash-flow problem, G-Club girls plan for the future, and they do it well, with little or no intention of going back there once they leave it. They are smart enough to acknowledge that their youth and beauty doesn’t last forever, so they try their best to make use of whatever existing assets they have to generate the quickest profit at the shortest possible time with the least amount of fuss and discomfort. Once a G-Club girl starts talking about buying a place (as opposed to just renting it) you know she’s almost ready to quit, because they simply have to re-adjust their lifestyles in the short term to accommodate the potential loss in income once their savings are deemed adequate. That’s the reason why you always see fresh faces in these clubs, and no girl ever works for too long - they treat the scene like a cash-pan and it is in their professional mantra to “work and get out”. It’s a high turnover industry, even within the mamasan circuit.
2. They’re not big fans of the whole sponsorship / fuck-buddy arrangement. Sponsorship comes with the unnecessary baggage of obligation - if you’re an occasional tourist, she’s almost always expected to stay with you, go out with you, have dinner with you and maybe even have sex with you whenever you are here. Feelings of being cheap and guilt are predominant emotions that no girls wants to live with, even if they like you very much. If you’re in a foreign country and pop over 4 days every 2 months, you’re unconsciously disrupting her life, and nobody likes that being done to themselves. Friends, family and her neighbour’s dog will invariably start to question why she’s been discreetly missing from their lives for an unspecified amount of time, and it’s just not very cool to declare to your mates that you’re being supported financially by a farang man outside Thailand. If you stay in Thailand it’s even worse, because it’s now a cat-and-mouse game between you and her friends if your status isn’t official (and if it is, her whole social circle would have already known you by now so it’s going to be impossible to “fuck and bail”). You may be sending her 40,000 baht every month but her lifestyle can’t change dramatically because people around her will notice (Thais are very sensitive to changes in peer status), so their hands are tied. Having money sent to you every month is a good thing, but it’s not much use if you can’t tell anyone about it or spend it. Thai girls do cost-benefit analysis too, and the impracticalities of being supported far outweigh the benefits of having more money sent to her by a man in a non-committal relationship.
If you’ve stayed in Thailand long enough, you’ll realise that outside of the whole P4P scene, the average Thai girl is shy, traditional and conservative. You can’t even begin to explain to them the concept of how a fuck-buddy system works without being greeted with curious questions and “are you out of your mind” insinuations. It’s a common practise in P4P World, but completely out of character in Thai society - hell, have you even spotted couples stealing a kiss in public before at all (buy a lottery ticket if you do)? Thai girls are friendly and extremely approachable, but that doesn’t mean they have loose values, even if they might be the same girls working the G-Club circuit at night. Avoid, like the plague, Thai girls who call you “tirak” or text you “I miss you” freely - you know for sure they’re looking at your wallet, because the normal Thai girl almost never does. They expect the man to do the chasing and it’s almost expected of us to assume the sole responsibility of assembling all the pieces in a relationship. Lest any of us forget, Thailand is still a country in Asia.
3. There’s a reason why no photography is allowed (most of the time anyway, although when it gets crazy this is far less enforced) in G-Clubs at all times. Most of the girls work without their family members’ and friends’ knowledge and they know all about the perils of being an overnight internet star, as well as the dangers of Youtube. But I think all of you know that already.
4. If you’re in it for the pussy, my personal advice would be to look elsewhere. It’s not worth it. You spend a fortune bedding the girl of your dreams and you realise that she is inexperienced, extremely non-committal in bed, passive and even lazy, and once she falls in love (which seems to be their prerequisite for wanting to sleep with you in the first place) you’d be praying for your lives - it’s THAT hard to get out. If you’re in it for the sex, skip G-Clubs entirely. It costs too much and you enjoy too little. Take it from me - I loved my ex-girlfriend, she’s got the whole package (gorgeous face and
smoking body) but absolutely terrible in bed. I’m led to believe that she’s not an isolated case.
And finally,
5. G-Club girls are just normal Thai girls with the good fortune of being good-looking but the bad luck of working in a job that requires them to entertain different men every night. You have to work them, humour them, please them, make them laugh, spend wads of cash on them, wine and dine them, declare your affection for them, and still it doesn’t guarantee you pussy. Sounds suspiciously like how The World operates these days too, no?
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j - i think most of your stuff is spot on but you are also pointing the needle to far in the direction that says they don’t fuck around - they do, they don’t have fuck buddies - they do or they that they are not looking to have some fun.
I know girls that event though their own brother picks them up after work are more than happy to come over on the night’s mom and dad are gone. They are still girls and if you know how to play it with them they will open up a bit. it is not easy but I enjoy the chase and you don’t have to spend as much money as u are letting on. My point is their is a whole bunch of different avenues to take at a g club.
all good IMHO and I am enjoying the few of them I am connecting with.
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You’re absolutely right, Smitty. My take on the whole G-Girl thing is purely based on my own personal experiences. As I’ve already previously disclaimed, the G-Club scene is massive and there will be plenty of girls with needles pointing the other direction - G-Club girls looking to snag a rich, willing customer, coyote girls graduating from the agogo bars more than happy to sleep around, and hostesses with extremely loose values and more than eager to sleep with anyone who cares to ask.
Maybe I’ve just been unfortunate to mix around with the wrong G-Girl clan. I’d hate to generalise. I’ve got friends who scored with G-Club girls on first visits as well, so it’s a really open ball-game and that’s only part of the fun in G-Girling.
The ones that I know, though, are mature, responsible in their attitudes to sex and have certain values they will never compromise, and that’s the only point I have hoped to achieve with my comments. These girls deserves respect. Go G-Clubbing without the intention of sticking your dick in all the wrong places and you’ll be guaranteed endless hours of fun. There’s nothing more off-putting than expecting pussy on a night out and not getting it.
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As a service to Finnish readers, who may feel excluded from the thread, I offer the above BBK comment in their native language:
I kirjoitti nämä vastaukset alkuperäisen säiettä.
Mitä Justin kirjoitti järkevämpää, kun ymmärrät, se oli enemmän keskustelua kahden meistä.
BigBabyKenny
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Vastaus 1:
Olen samaa mieltä yhdestä yleisestä tenori kommenttejasi-että G-tytöt ovat vapaita tekemään mitä he haluavat. Ne eivät ole Gogo tyttöjä jotka on bang ketään jotka on halukas barfine niitä tai FL TG’s jotka jumittui esitetään Nana Parkkipaikka ja Biergarten ja ansaita elantonsa, volyymi-oni ST/1500THB yhtä aikaa useita miehiä. Henkilökohtaisesti tämä on plus ole miinus-G-Girling.
On kuitenkin todettava, mikä erottaa thai G-tyttöjen sama tyttöjen maailma on, että rima on asetettu paljon pienempi ja mitä G-tytöt arvo on paljon erilainen kuin saman tyttöjen The World arvo.
Voit lukea kaikkia muita virkoja, että olen kirjoittanut, mutta mitä se boils alaspäin on, että:
1) TG: n on kielletyille mahdollisuuksia verrattuna tyttöjen maailmassa. Olet nuori ja kaunis TG. In The World voitte odottaa avioliittoon tai boyfriend osaksi korkeammat sosiaaliset ja taloudelliset strata. Koska tämän luokan järjestelmä, Thaimaa, TG: n ei voi tehdä sitä.
2) Olet nuori, kaunis ja älykäs TG. In The World, voitte mennä kouluun tullut asianajaja, lääkäri, tai yrityksen johdon ja bootstrap itsesi osaksi korkeammat sosiaaliset ja taloudelliset strata. Thai kulttuurin ja thai köyhyys tarkoittaa sitä, TG: n ei voi tehdä sitä-Chulangokorn ja
Thamassat eivät ole täynnä poikkeuksellisen kirkas kunnianhimoinen ylöspäin mobiili genius poikia ja tyttäriä köyhien Issan banaani viljelijöille. Ne ovat täynnä poikia ja tyttäriä, että jo rikkaiden ja etuoikeutettujen niiden tapa toimia ottaen heidän perinnöllisistä varattu paikat, ylempi strata Thaimaan yhteiskunnassa.
Ulkomaiset miehet tarjoavat mahdollisuuden, että ei ole käytettävissä näiden tyttöjen keskuudessa yleistä thai väestö-tilaisuus olla arka suhteellisen varakkaita kaveri jotka tarkastelua niitä paljon inhimillisempi ja heille enemmän miellyttävä puitteissa kuin thai kaverit ja jotka tarjoavat tilaisuuden : elintaso ja elämän ole saatavilla heidän thai yhteiskunnassa.
Jos olen eri mieltä on your thesis, että sinulla on nuorten Good Looking ja rikkaiden saada missä tahansa G-tyttöjä.
Ehkä tässä maailmassa sinun täytyy olla nuori, Good Looking, ja rikkaat ovat mahdollisuus, tytöt vastaavat thai G-tytöt, mutta Thaimaa, koska sen kielletyille mahdollisuuksia naisille, sinulla on vain oltava ihmisarvoista ihmisen kanssa keskimääräinen tulo, jonka standardit The World olevan paksu asioita.
Voit olla 10-35 vuotta vanhempia ja keskimääräinen etsivät, mutta jos olet kunnon kaveri, jotka leningit hyväksyä, vaatimaton tuloa The World’s standardit, sinun tulee usein olla standout ehdokas, sekä taloudellisesti että henkisesti, mahdollisesti Rahoittajan / boyfriend / Gik luettelo eniten G-tyttöjä.
Mitä et voi olla on yksi niistä Big Fat ääneen dirty rude ja raakaöljy, tapojen, euro tai valkoinen roskakori slobs että infest Nana ja Soi Cowboy. Kulttuurisista syistä, normaali thai tytöt eivät yksinkertaisesti puuvilla näitä tyyppejä.
BigBabyKenny
P.S. perversely riitä, SMS’ing tai vaativat useita tyttöjä, ennen kuin vierailun nähdä, jotka ovat käytettävissä sen jälkeen, kun työ joskus lähettää oikeanlaisen signaalin, että olet kiinnostunut jatkamaan tietyntyyppinen ulkopuolella klubin suhdetta. Kun tätä tietoa saa jakaa eikä tappaa toimintaa, se alkaa kilpailuun tilanteessa, jossa yksi tyttö yrittää kauha muille tytöille.
Katso kaikki kommentit, joita BigBabyKenny
Response 2
Pari huomautusta.
1) tyttöjä ei mennä töihin jokapäiväistä yrittää “kala big yksi” mutta on olemassa syy. Se on mielenkiintoinen käyttää G-Club ja Gogo: n tekemään tiivistä tarkastella miespuolinen asiakaskunta. Vierailulla, olen yleensä ottaa yksi pitkä lähellä tarkastella muiden miesten holhoavan paikka. Jos katson ympärilleni ja kysy itseltäsi, “kuinka monta ihmisarvoisen näkymät ovat täällä tänä iltana” vastaus yleensä on “perkeleen pari”, ja tietenkin, kun soveltamisalaan, tyttö Uusimmat voit nähdä, että kilpailu ihmisarvoisen näkymät on aika pirun pelottava.
Mielestäni kaikkein G-Tytöt eivät mene työhön jokapäiväistä yrittää “kala big yksi”, koska usein ei ole “big yksi”, talon tai jos on olemassa joitakin hyviä mahdollisuuksia on olemassa vielä 100 + tyttöjen niillä on beat niiden kautta saada luodista. Tämä on erityisen totta, että ei-ulkomaisten liikemiesten G-klubit päässä Sukhumvit. Siksi kirjoitti yksi niistä viroista, kun G-Girl saa laukauksen klo kunnollista mahdollisuutta hän on yleensä innoissaan ja kykenee itse kaikin mahdollisin tavoin hyödyntää sitä.
2) Mielestäni kommentti G-tytöt ovat häpesivät tuomalla heidän farang ystävä on liian yleinen. Olivatpa ne ovat mukavat saat ulos seurustella ystäviensä kanssa ja perhe riippuu minkälaista farang he ovat. Jos heidän farang boyfriend tietää näy pukeutunut kunnolla (yleensä tämä tarkoittaa sitä, liike-elämän arki), näyttää siltä, että hän on ihmisarvoisen määrän käteistä (mikä tarkoittaa, että keskellä luokitella The World’s standardit), voi sanoa, hän on ihmisarvoista työtä, eli ei ole Englanti opettaja ja / tai toimii suuri ulkomainen yritys, ja oleskelu-normeja polite thai yhteiskunnan conversationally ja behaviorally sen sijaan, että piilossa löydät itsesi ollaan trotted olevan ylpeänä näytetään useammin kuin ei.
Se on melko yleispalvelun koko maailma tyttöjen saada pois, anna tyttöystävä ja perhe tietää, että ne ovat aika, smart, tai onni houkutella, maa, ja pitää toivottavana, kaveri. Thaimaa on noin kasvot eikä mikään, joka parantaa tytön kasvoja yli hooking heppu muiden tyttöjen haluaisi myös koukku - ja kuten sanoin aiemmin kommentoida bar: “hyvä saalis” on melko alhainen Thaimaassa.
3) G-tytöt eivät ole “korkea-luokan Issan-tyypin hookers”. Yhdyn täysin teidän yleiskuvaus G-tytöt ovat peräisin eri väestöryhmiin, että Gogo tyttöjen ja se on koko kohta G-girling vs. GoGo’ing. Tytöt ovat classier, tiedämme, miten pukeutuvat, ovat enemmän wordly, ovat hyviä eri toimintojen lisäksi banging, niillä on enemmän mielenkiintoisia ystävät ja tuttavat, ja ovat yleensä vain valtava kasa hyviä vanhanaikaisia terveellistä tyttö tyyppi hauskaa.
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Vastaus 3:
Reading viimeinen kommentti kiteyttää, mitä tekee Bangkok yleensä tällainen fucking mahtava paikka ja G-Girling nimenomaan niin paljon hauskaa. Mitä te sanotte on:
Jos olet kunnon kundi jotka on joitakin tapoja, voi järjestää polite conversation, kuluu pitkä housut, paidat kanssa hihat ja kaulahihnat, ja nahka-kengät ja sukat ilman värjäysaineet, kyyneleitä ja puuttuvia painikkeita, kun on tarkoituksenmukaista, jotka ajattelevat tyttöjen / naisten kuin ihmiset sijaan lihan osoittaa, tyttöjen ja naisten hieman kunnioitusta, ei ole mitään outoa off the wall seksuaalisen jumittui yritysten kannalta, jotka haluavat viettää $ 50 USD ottaen tyttö, joka yö hauskaa, ja jotka eivät ole jonkinlainen asocial wet blanket sohvaperuna grouch, se on helppoa ja suoraviivaista koukku jopa seksuaalisesti ja henkisesti kanssa tupakoinnin Tyylikkään seksikäs hottie 10-30 vuotta nuorempi kuin te jotka on “älykäs, herkkä, paneelikeskustelut (keskustelu) ja pystyttävä houkuttelemaan sinua tavalla, joka ei keskimäärin agogo tyttö voi koskaan haluavat saavuttaa. ”
Voin wrap päähäni noin mitä te sanotte ja sopivat 100% teidän kanssanne.
Ja I’ll lisätä oma kommentti tätä säiettä.
Thaimaa on fucking mahtava paikka ja olen todella todella todella hauskaa olla täällä, jotka eivät?
Mitä en voi wrap päähäni ympärillä on bitching ja moaning, vihan, ja kyynisyyttä olet joskus nähdä kommentit. En vain saada se.
View all comments by Pants Elk
WOW - now it makes sense! Never thought of it like that before
View all comments by doctorbond
smitty - what do you think is a “good catch” for a G-girl? or are they looking for a “catch” at all?
View all comments by roddy
Pants Elk you’re killing me!
View all comments by mart
Justin,
I don’t live in Thailand nor have I ever been to a GClub (yet) but some of your statements about “normal” Thai women just don’t ring true with me. I do agree that you can’t treat these (or other normal girls) like you would a suk girl but when you say things like they would be perplexed at the concept of a fuck buddy I have to shake my head to make sure I read that correctly.
Obviously the entire concept of the mia noi is a Thai one so being supported isn’t foreign to these girls. That’s why I find some of your comments about being “supported” hard to swallow.
Likewise in one paragraph you talk about how they wouldn’t accept 40K baht because it would be too noticable in their family and peer group and then a few paragraphs later you say that many of these girls hide what they do from their friends and family. Exactly how does she explain her car, recent home purcahse, etc to friends and family who would know she doesn’t have a day job?
I also know many, many “normal” TGs who have fuck buddies. Two specific ones come to mind. One girl I know has a very nice government job. Another is a sales rep for a multi-national drug company. Both make as much or more than these GClub girls and I know for a fact that they have fuck buddies. They are about as “normal” as Thai girls get in the middle class.
I think that in trying to draw a distinction between gogo girls and GClub girls you might be over-doing it a bit on the differences. I don’t argue that your normal Thai girl is very different from her gogo sisters but being less prone to fuck around doesn’t mean she absolutely never fucks around.
BBKK
View all comments by Billy Bangkok
Humm… I think part of it is simple: we attract those that are on our level and i am not talking about physical level.
For example: I am usually laughing, bobbing my head to music, I joke a lot, Pretty laid back, not intense, hardly ever serious.
This are the type of girls i attract, now that you wrote this i have notice that the G-club girls and girls in general that i am involved with have these traits, they are not the shy ones, they joke around and are the energizer bunnies.
Mr Justin, even your posts are a bit more reserved, may i say more serious, you are a thinker, very humble, you analyze, a good guy. I may be way off base… but its something in your writing… therefore those are the girls you attract. The more serious girls, the ones that plan, the good girls, so your experience is based on what vibe you throw out.
Thats maybe why your experience has been different than mine, but also you have some good universal points. I too go to the clubs to have fun not for pussy only (if it happens it a bonus).
There is so much to learn… but its fun doing so.
View all comments by GoodLife
What the HECK Pants Elk! Thank you for the translation!
But for my part, I can survive with only English too! 
Avid reader and fan of this blog and all the regular caracters commenting here (and Big Mango visitor too…was there two weeks ago…)
View all comments by KV
Sometimes I wonder why you western guys just don’t stick to your own blond, tall women instead of coming to Asia to chase our girls. No offend, don’t take me wrong, but after having lived more then 16 years in Europe I heard nothing but the saying that “blond white women are the most beautiful and attractive”.
You must belong to a minority in your own country, I guess.
For your records: I screwed quite a number of pretty blond gals. Most of the time it was not as shiok as screwing Asian gals.
Something to think about: how do like the idea that a brown oriental has screwed your women?
View all comments by Ato
Ato… take them all… in fact lets trade in Kilos.. that means for every 3 beautiful asian ladys i get you get one ugly attitude infested white woman… I have no prob at all!
ooh and i’m brown.. not white.. and not tall either.. ha ha ha..
Peace!
View all comments by GoodLife
GL… ‘Fuckin A’ Brother.
View all comments by Daywalker
“Something to think about: how do like the idea that a brown oriental has screwed your women?”
Fine by me, Ato. Go ahead. Take them all; the pasty-skinned ones with “weight issues”, the flabby-hipped ones in too-tight jeans and too-short spaghetti-strap tops, the skinny psychotics with ashtray breath, the beered-up fake blondes from the ‘burbs, the strutting career-girls with their salad lunches from M&S, the henna’d hippies in Crocs on their gap year travels, the sullen fem-bots with the greasy hair - fucke ‘em all. In fact - take my ex-wife while you’re at it. And breathe in deeply to get a lungful of that western-woman Attitude coming off every single fucked-up one of them like chlorine off a public swimming pool.
View all comments by Pants Elk
@ ATO: we fuck YOUR women (like you are the owner or something. Oh no! this is a race thing, right?), because they are pretty and because there is no such thing as a 40 euros/1 hour Gogo Bar in Europe
Didn’t you get that ?!!
View all comments by Suk Psycho
Ato, Lived in Europe for 16 years and screwed my women, you poor poor man.
View all comments by hanuman
Do we have to choose? Damn…I’ve been trying to fuck them all!
I’m just a lot more successful in places where it’s cheap and plentiful!
View all comments by Twice Shy
@ Suk Psycho and others:
It’s indeed a race-issue. But the point I wanted to make clear is the “beautiful means blond” attitude in the western world.
Brunettes and black-haired women may sometimes be found pretty but the absolute winners are the blonds. In all the years I lived in Europe it seemed to me as if they always wanted to make this thing clear to me.
So I question you bros: is it true that in general in your countries it are the blonds who are considered the absolute winners?
View all comments by Ato
Do you mean a Bimbo, Ato?
View all comments by hanuman
What I gather here is everyone is arguing that their source for prostitutes are superior to other’s. You’re all correct. That’s why so many venues exist.
View all comments by The Middle Stooge
mst - quite the contrary really. I think what justin is saying and I have been trying to say forever but have given up is that a big chunk of the girls at g clubs are not prostitutes. they all laugh at the people who think they are as well.
but - whatever…
View all comments by smitty
Justin - great work. Good to get the perspective of an a young Asian guy on the frontline.
View all comments by milo
Sorry to double-post, but I wanted to pick up on the point that ‘decent girls bring home decent Thai men’.
I am not white, but I know three white guys in serious relationships with wealthy Thai girls who have met the family, one of whom has been asked for a large dowry, suggesting that hi-so and middle class Thai attitudes to inter-racial marriage are not as cut and dry as you make out.
If Thai adverts are anything to go by many Thais consider marriage to a white man desirable. This, of course, depends on the man though.
To sum up, I think the Thai attitude to marrying a farang is probably the same as black people’s attitude or Jewish or Indian families atttitude. Some families frown on it - others don’t.
View all comments by milo
Smitty,
I agree with you.
My own experience is that the majority of G-girls are just normal girls working for the money and hoping to meet a nice guy to boyfriend, gik, mia noi, or settle down with and/or improve their otherwise bleak daily existence. Of course, they are above average looking, have good social skills, and/or are particularly fun to be with otherwise they couldn’t survive as a G-Girl. If they didn’t have these characteristics they would get knocked out by the competition.
One way of thinking about it is to ask why the girls in the fishbowls at the upscale massage parlours like Poseidin don’t go to work as G-girls. Working as a G-Girl where you get to choose who you bang, get to wear more normal clothes everyday, and get to sit around drinking and socializing is a lot more pleasant than sitting on a bench looking at dudes wondering which one will choose to bang you next through a plate glass window all day.
One reason the fishbowl girls don’t become G-girls is because they lack the social skills and personality to compete with the girls that do.
But if you are going to try to convince the haters, cynics, and trolls that all Thai girls (or all women generally) are not prostitutes and whores, that girls from poor countries with no opportunities to live a decent life who are trapped in a society which places them in an inferior position deserve a little slack when judging them, or that it might be worthwhile and fun expending a little money and investing a little time to befriend and bang them you are beating your head on a brick wall.
Of course, for those more adventurous of spirit, who are willing to gamble a little money and time …..
Milo,
I also agree with you.
In China, Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand (the countries I have experience in) what counts to the girl’s family and friends is not so much the race/nationality of potential suitors/husbands/boyfriends it is the status and more importantly the amount of money the prospective has.
If the prospective has status from his profession or education and/or he or his family has the same or significantly more money than the girl’s family everything is copacetic.
Thailand is one of least xenophobic countries around. If a guy is rich and/or educated and/or has a high status job he will be welcomed with open arms by a girl’s Thai family and friends. If he is a decent guy, respects Thai culture, religion, and values and is the least bit generous he will be loved like a second son.
And given the low income, education, and status of most Thai families, the bar for having “more” is pretty low in Thailand.
BigBabyKenny
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Truesay BBK, status has so much to do with it. While the bar is low, some guys can’t even reach it, despite being Western. That’s why you see real low-end guys married to over-the-hill bargirls that push them around!
View all comments by milo
At first blush I thought this was a pretty good post and was one of the first to sing his praises – he chooses his words carefully and doesn’t try to lecture. However, on further reflection, I’m not so. Maybe I’m reading too much into his comments, but the following in particular was notable as it seems to be one of the central themes of his comments:
“If you’re a farang your chances are even slimmer, because (at the risk of sounding racist) the average pretty Thai woman invariably feel more at ease with fellow counterparts (ie, young, sanuk Asians) than a middle-aged, balding Caucasian. Believe me, they laugh behind your backs as much as we do theirs.”
I don’t think anyone would debate who a pretty Thai woman would select given the above, but isn’t this a false choice? Would a Thai woman invariably feel more at ease with an old, fat, balding Asian than a young, sanuk Farang? It seems Justin believes he’s in a certain “sweet spot” when it comes to G-Club girls because he is Asian (while being able to laugh with us (presumably the farangs on this board) behind their backs). His comment isn’t racist, although unless Justin is Thai, he’s deluding himself a bit. Better to compare apples to apples, in which case you’d find out that at the end of the day, race really isn’t an issue (unless you happen to be Thai, in which case you do indeed have special status).
I’ve only been here for five years, but from what I can tell anyone who is not a Thai is an outsider, be he a farang, Japanese, Chinese or Indian – being Asian doesn’t make a snot of difference, all other things being equal (such as age, income, hair, weight). In fact, it seems to hurt rather than help, given the stereotypes Thais have of their fellow Asians (believe me Justin, they laugh behind their fellow Asians’ back as much as you do theirs).
This past Saturday’s g-club experience was a great example. A group of three Japanese dragged me and a friend into their private room filled with over a dozen girls. Two of the guys were in their mid 20’s (thus around ten years younger than us), wealthy, thin, decent looking and full of sanuk (and whisky). The girls, although very polite to them, were more than happy to snuggle in between me and my friend for safety – these guys were simply out of control. The Japanese were more than happy to fuel us with their booze, while we were able to pick and choose the pick of the litter. At the end of the evening, we were able to get numbers, while the Japanese paid the 35,000 Baht tab. Yes, I realize that being drunk had a big part in it, although this is one of the stereotypes of the young sanuk farangs that is more of the norm than an unfair characterization (at least that’s what a farang like me hears when the Thai girls talk behind the backs of the Japanese).
I’ve found such “other Asian” stereotypes outside of g-clubs as well. Every long term girlfriend I’ve had here has been at least part Chinese, but they invariably think of themselves as Thai. It’s almost unbelievable the disregard they have for their “fellow” Chinese from Singapore, Hong Kong or the mainland. Without getting into specifics, much of their complaints have to do with oral hygiene (especially those from Hong Kong) and simple manners (as some may know, the Singaporean government actually instituted a Social Development Unit to address this, among other problems to encourage men and women to hook up – apparently highly educated women preferred going solo instead of getting hitched to their compatriots)).
At the end of the day, none of us is in any sort of sweet spot (except for the young, sanuk, rich Thai guys). If you are a farang or “other” Asian who is not too old, not too fat, has a fair amount of cash and can speak the language, then the possibilities are endless.
View all comments by go go groupie
Hi all,
It’s amazing how this post has continued to attract the amount of attention it has! I really like how we’re all able to discuss the topic of G-Club girls beyond the usual surface descriptives, and I have to offer my most sincere apologies (again) if I have inadvertently offended anyone with my comments or the lazy nature of my generalisations.
Let me come out and say now that it hasn’t been easy for me at all. Unlike what Gogo Groupie has suggested, I’m in no way trying to carve a “sweet-spot” for myself in declaring that I’m Asian. I think we’re all fully aware that there is never going to be a sweet spot for non-Thais like us.
I’ve not had it easy. Not by any means. I’ve had to fight numerous battles to find love. One of the main reasons why has precisely been because I’m not Thai. I broke up with my girlfriend because we found it impossible to reconcile the differences associated with how I failed to completely understand Thai culture (and in her own words, failing to try hard enough). It still hurts me to this day. We loved each other but we had to let go.
I don’t speak the language, and I can’t even begin to pretend that I understand what Thai culture means to pure-bred Thais. I’m Asian and young (relatively, at least I hope), but to get into a relationship with a G-Club girl isn’t an issue of being either. I didn’t succeed because “I’m Asian, young and sanuk”. I’m far from sanuk - I’m brooding, moody, seldom enjoy myself in clubs, drink way too much and go home alone most nights. I’ve had it extremely tough and I’m not ashamed to admit that I pursued her for a long time before I was even allowed to be called her boyfriend in front of her friends. There was pain, suffering, plenty of crying and a lot of emotional suffering. All this because I’m not Thai.
I first met her in a G-Club when I was just looking to have some fun. But then I met her. She’s mature, insightful, sanuk, and very, very responsible towards her body and the boundaries she sets for herself in allowing what her customers could do to her. I won’t go into detail about how I fell in love because the topic of this particular discussion doesn’t call for it, but it’s suffice to say that I treasured her more than any other woman I’ve ever been with, and it pained me everyday to know that she would be heading out to the club again to let men cuddle and caress for a living.
Maybe my perspectives have been perversely (and inappropriately) slanted towards actually embarking on a meaningful relationship with a Thai Girl as opposed to simply looking for the best fuck then bailing out. My only worry is that this topic has transcended into something that deals with the very fabric of Thai society rather than just how you can score with the hottest chick in the club. It’s all getting rather heavy and in my opinion it’s best to move on.
All that I’m trying to achieve by coming out to say this is that G-Club girls are simply trying to survive in the Big Mango just like every one of us. They’re normal Thai girls and in a completely different mould from your usual agogo counterparts, so as much as they entertain adult men for a living, many of them do have higher goals in life, treasure themselves and feel a certain sense of responsibility towards what they’re answerable to in the eyes of their peers, family and friends. My ex-girlfriend has offered the most inexplicable excuses in her attempt to try and get out of making that difficult decision of accepting me, a non-Thai (albeit an Asian) into her life. We ARE disadvantaged because we’re not Thai, and that is something that all of us have to live with as long as we’re in the country.
Once again, I would like to reiterate that my comments are in no way snide attempts to form racist insinuations towards readers from any race, and I’d be the first to apologise if I made it sound as such. I’m in the exact same boat as every one of us.
Enjoy the G-Club scene, people.
View all comments by Justin
All great stuff - justin. thanks for hanging in through the comments. Has been a good dialogue.
I think GGG sums it up well with this:
At the end of the day, none of us is in any sort of sweet spot (except for the young, sanuk, rich Thai guys). If you are a farang or “other” Asian who is not too old, not too fat, has a fair amount of cash and can speak the language, then the possibilities are endless.
Hell - I am even learning the game without dropping tons of cash.
View all comments by smitty
Justin, another nice post (although I’m sure I’ll find something to nitpick in a few days and do a 180 on you).
It’s interesting to read about some of the problems someone might have if they pursue an actual relationship with a g-club girl. I can see how someone could fall for one. As you and others have mentioned, they can be a few cuts above your stunner go go girl and are beautiful, charming and sweet by any measure. Most expats for one reason or another (myself included) seem to go native and instead treat them as giks at best and nothing more. I, too, am probably guilty of a gross generalization, but most upper class Thais (and by that I mean wealthy - nothing about education, manners or the like) treat them the same way as a farang would treat a go go girl. Also, if you’re working here, you really can’t bring a g-club girlfriend to office events - your Thai colleagues will see right through that (in fact, they might even recognize her). Not really worth the risk, especially for a big pussy like me.
I don’t think anyone here has claimed to fully understand Thai culture - not sure it’s possible. Speaking the language, however, is something completely different and not terribly difficult if an effort is made. If you’re here for a long time though, it’s well worth the time and effort.
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Justin and GoGoGroupie
A useful distinction as far as Thai culture is concerned is the difference between understanding, respect, and acceptance.
One can understand Thai culture.
For instance the Buddhist belief in reincarnation and how it breeds acceptance of one’s current place in society, the common Thai lack of ambition to better ones life and the seeming acceptance of Thai’s societies lack of provision of avenues for those with talent and ambition to move up, i.e. accept that you are on the bottom because eventually in some future life you will be on top.
One can respect Thai culture.
Instead of railing on about how lazy Thai people are you can respect that their life choices stem from their honest and deeply held values.
But one DOES NOT and SHOULD NOT blindly ACCEPT all aspects of Thai culture.
Personally, if upper class Thai people disapprove if I choose a friend or girlfriend who is from a lower socio economic class —as most upper class Thai’s would be I would say fuck em.
If I chose a black or Jewish friend/girlfriend/wife in the US in the 1950’s it wouldn’t be right to be ashamed of her and hide her away from friends, family, and work acquaintances.
If I had a retarded child in the US in the 1930’s it wouldn’t be right to put the kid in the closet and hide it’s existence from the neighbors and work acquaintances.
If I have a Thai friend/girlfriend/wife from a lower socio economic class, it would not be right to hide them in the closet or be ashamed of them just because Thai society is a class society where the Lucky Few, born with silver spoons in their mouths think their shit doesn’t stink, where the Lucky Few think that those less fortunate deserve to be treated like shit, and where the Lucky Few think those less fortunate are somehow less human. My personal philosophy in this situation is fuck the Lucky Few.
One can understand and respect Thai culture but also reject elements of it.
BigBabyKenny
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Wow, great thread, but there are several things that I would like to comment on. I have lived for 3 years in Thailand with another friend, from age 24 to age 27. We were both young, reasonably good looking, and always dressed well and presented ourselves well. We’re also educated and made pretty good money in Thailand. Over the course of that time we’ve had countless encounters with Thai women, both working girls and decent girls, and certain conclusions have crystalized in my mind. I should also say we had no particular interest in Thailand or Asia and were sent here by our respective companies. I should add that while we found Thai girls attractive, we both agreed that even the hotter Thai girls at upscale clubs were less attractive than the hot white and Asian girls at clubs back home, so we were certainly not overwhelmed by Thai girls in any sense. We generally had a great time in Thailand and while we were happy to eventually return to the West, we had few regrets about our time in Thailand and still regard it with affection and warmth.
1) About 20%-30% of “good” girls will be open to being with a farang. This isn’t a huge number, but with patience and perseverance a farang most certainly can get a really pretty, good girl. We did, repeatedly. The main issue seems to be one of reputation and class. As a class conscious society, Thais value refinement, style, deportment, and dress. You really can’t be a rough customer - “rugged good looks” would strike a Thai as oxymoronic and absurd. The problem in Thailand is that, lets face it, the vast majority of farangs in Thailand range from what can charitably be called “white trash” to respectable lower class, the latter which while nice people are not the sorts likely to appeal to anyone in the middle class or up. Thailand attracts very few “nice” farang, and there are good reasons for this which I would like to say a few things about a bit later on. Being non-Thai Asian DOES help, simply because it is less conspicuous, which is perfectly understandable. So Asians DO have it better here than whites, and it’s disingenuous to say otherwise. It is also perfectly natural that they should.
Now the above only applies to about a quarter of the girls. The rest simply will not consider a farang, or could be won over only with a superhuman effort. I believe the reasons are twofold - first, simple fear of the unfamiliar. Thailand does not tend to create bold, confident, independent people, but rather sensitive, shy, fearful, and timid people. Secondly, racism.
It is ridiculous to assert that Thailand is not a racist society - all societies are, especially ethnically homogonous, traditional, conservative societies where enlightenment ideals have barely taken root. It is childish and immature to expect otherwise. Even in our “enlightened” Western societies racism is endemic - at the end of the day, how may white GUYS back home are even interested in Asian girls? Of all my white friends back home, not ONE is particularly interested in Asian girls! They have nothing against them and would be polite and friendly to them, but simply find them less appealing than the hot white girls they can get. At the end of the day Thai racism is of an extremely gentle sort and one really can’t get too angry at them for it. It’s only human nature.
My point is that while racism is a huge limiting factor on what white guys can achieve here in Thailand, much opportunity remains - provided you are the right sort of person!
Which brings me to my second point. The main reason you see so few farangs with nice, hot girls is because lets face it, there are so few nice, hot farang men in Thailand. Successful, good looking farang men can easily get hot white girls back in their home countries, and if they have an Asian fetish (few do, in my experience), they can get Asian women back home that are hotter than Thai women who have little problem being with a white guy. Quite the opposite. High quality farang men in Thailand are a vanishing, almost invisible minority, although you CAN see them every now and then. If for some bizarre reason Thailand experienced an influx of high quality farang men, I have no doubt the situation would drastically alter in a very short time. The fact is, for the most part Thais are RIGHT about farang - but only about farang in Thailand.
Incidentally, almost the BEST way to get hot, decent Thai girls is to go out with high status - or even middle class! - Thai guys. Find yourself some decent Thai guy friends and my god, does it open doors! Suddenly the girls who wouldn’t look at you a moment ago are all interested in you, it’s astonishing! Goes to show that the real issues are one of social status and class, and while racism plays a huge role it isn’t a final verdict.
I remember one of the first nights out with my friend. We were approached by a fluent English speaking Thai guy in a club, and too new to know enough to be wary we responded with warmth and openness. We spoke for around thirty minutes, during which he would mysteriously disappear for a few minutes and then return. After establishing that we weren’t English teachers, he finally reappeared with several lovely, white skinned Thai girls - also fluent English speakers, who were extremely interested in us! At the time we didn’t even know this was unusual and weren’t particularly interested ourselves. The whole incident was amusing.
Anyways my general point is this. Thailand is really not an ideal place for a white guy, but it isn’t hopeless either. Being Asian in Thailand is one factor in your favor, although it won’t obviously cancel out any other deficiencies you have.
View all comments by Robert Southey
@ Robert - that was the most ridiculous incorrect drivel I’ve read in a long time (including stuff written by BBK).
View all comments by psi100th
Robert:
What you said is extremely accurate. Very perceptive comments and gives me some new ideas. Thanks.
View all comments by baseknock
I also find it interesting that someone, say robert, can decide in one swoop how everything works. Robert that is your experience and by no means is it the norm.
that is what is great about thailand - u can break a lot of the norms here. Everything is on the table just depends on how u play it, how much thai u speak and having enough money to get by.
I don’t think one can level such basic rules across the whoe playing field. I think some of what u say is correct but u seem to make too many conclusions from a small subset of experiences.
View all comments by sideshowBOB
@ Robert - you make some interesting points and some of them hover around the truth or at least an understandable point of view - the racism point however I think you have got completely wrong. Yes the Thais can be racist but this is not generally directed at farangs. Hollywood actors and pop stars are swooned over just as much as their home grown counterparts - ask your average Thai girl about their sporting hero they will inevitably say David Beckham or Steven Gerrard - ask about their favourite film star and they will quote you from an array of ‘wasp’ type actors. A common theme seems to be the desire to have babies with a farang because the resulting nose will be less flat - they can hardly have a demomstrable admiration for all things farang and be racist against them can they?
Thais racism seems to be dark skin colour based, although I did bring a black girlfriend with me to Thailand one time and they seemed to find her fascinating and took her off shopping many times - and these were hi-so Thais.
View all comments by doctorbond
Nice write up…though I dont agree on everything. I’m a Thai and been going to G-Clubs for more than 10 years now (I am 33 years this year). I’ve gotten my fair share of girls and is in fact dating the “star” of one of those places now. I am more than happy to give you guys any recommendation if you want it.<