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	<title>Comments on: A Window into the Hong Kong Girl Scene by BigBabyKenny</title>
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		<title>By: Combover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Combover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Chaiyen's comments, though it seems that his phrasing may have got a few heckles up.

What is described above is a pretty unrepresentative sample of your average Hongkonger. But of course, there is a significant wealthy 'elite'. I use this term loosely as it has no basis in anything other than their money.

Many Hong Kong guys do have mistresses in Shenzhen or Dongguan however. I guess this is a lifestyle-of-the-rich-&#38;-famous-on-the-cheap. Similar to our own rock star lives in Bangkok.

I don't agree that Hong Kong women present themselves well at all. Mostly they are fashion disasters. Brands win over style almost every time. They do dress better than the mainland girls however.

On the whole they are quite an immature &#38; sexually conservative bunch too, with a high proportion marrying childhood sweethearts. A lot display unhealthy obsessions with gonks, cartoon characters, and a horribly affected 'cuteness'. Just witness the semi-spastic knocked kneed pigeon toed walks you'll see everywhere. And if you spend any time in the city you're guaranteed to see more than a few tearful, childish footstomping tantrums from women to their geeky boyfriends in the street. The answer of course is for the guy to give money.

The good news for the westerner is that there ARE plenty of girls who do not fit this stereotype, enjoy the company of gweilos, and go to the right parts of town to find them. This salary paying nonsense is nowhere near any of thes girls agenda, though they are often happy to play the field and enjoy being treated to nights out.  Plenty of overseas Chinese returnees too, who for me are often a great compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Chaiyen&#8217;s comments, though it seems that his phrasing may have got a few heckles up.</p>
<p>What is described above is a pretty unrepresentative sample of your average Hongkonger. But of course, there is a significant wealthy &#8216;elite&#8217;. I use this term loosely as it has no basis in anything other than their money.</p>
<p>Many Hong Kong guys do have mistresses in Shenzhen or Dongguan however. I guess this is a lifestyle-of-the-rich-&amp;-famous-on-the-cheap. Similar to our own rock star lives in Bangkok.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that Hong Kong women present themselves well at all. Mostly they are fashion disasters. Brands win over style almost every time. They do dress better than the mainland girls however.</p>
<p>On the whole they are quite an immature &amp; sexually conservative bunch too, with a high proportion marrying childhood sweethearts. A lot display unhealthy obsessions with gonks, cartoon characters, and a horribly affected &#8216;cuteness&#8217;. Just witness the semi-spastic knocked kneed pigeon toed walks you&#8217;ll see everywhere. And if you spend any time in the city you&#8217;re guaranteed to see more than a few tearful, childish footstomping tantrums from women to their geeky boyfriends in the street. The answer of course is for the guy to give money.</p>
<p>The good news for the westerner is that there ARE plenty of girls who do not fit this stereotype, enjoy the company of gweilos, and go to the right parts of town to find them. This salary paying nonsense is nowhere near any of thes girls agenda, though they are often happy to play the field and enjoy being treated to nights out.  Plenty of overseas Chinese returnees too, who for me are often a great compromise.<br /> <a href="http://www.2thebigmango.com/viewcomments/3280461592" rel="nofollow">View all comments by Combover</a></p>
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		<title>By: An Escapade on Hong Kong Island by Gates Of Paradox at The FARANG Speaks 2 Much</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Escapade on Hong Kong Island by Gates Of Paradox at The FARANG Speaks 2 Much</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] editor&#8217;s note: This has been publisghed before on Stick but since I never read stick reader submissions this is new to me. Great piece in light of bbk&#8217;s hk view. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] editor&#8217;s note: This has been publisghed before on Stick but since I never read stick reader submissions this is new to me. Great piece in light of bbk&#8217;s hk view. [...]<br /> <a href="http://www.2thebigmango.com/viewcomments/0" rel="nofollow">View all comments by An Escapade on Hong Kong Island by Gates Of Paradox at The FARANG Speaks 2 Much</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daywalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daywalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She was eating a Chip Butty?  ;)</description>
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		<title>By: TAFKABBB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TAFKABBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hanuman: You got it.

@yesman: You keep changing the focus every time somebody corrects you, and I'm not sure whether you even have a point any more, let alone what it might be.

Like you, I don't want a subservient girlfriend, or any girlfriend at all for that matter.  Been single more or less since I got here, and (obviously) rather enjoying it.

Women return to abusive partners all over the world, but yes I'm partly English.  Plenty of battered wives in other countries too though, not sure what your point is here either.  I don't believe the statistics in the UK are unusually high or anything.  Perhaps you have some facts and figures for us?  That would be a first.

Do you have an agenda here?  You seem to be wildly off-message given the usual content of the site.

@werewolf: About as much as when I'm asked what I want to drink, or whether I want "two lady" in the SoL.

@Daywalker: Sorry, her phone was on hands-free for reasons probably best not discussed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hanuman: You got it.</p>
<p>@yesman: You keep changing the focus every time somebody corrects you, and I&#8217;m not sure whether you even have a point any more, let alone what it might be.</p>
<p>Like you, I don&#8217;t want a subservient girlfriend, or any girlfriend at all for that matter.  Been single more or less since I got here, and (obviously) rather enjoying it.</p>
<p>Women return to abusive partners all over the world, but yes I&#8217;m partly English.  Plenty of battered wives in other countries too though, not sure what your point is here either.  I don&#8217;t believe the statistics in the UK are unusually high or anything.  Perhaps you have some facts and figures for us?  That would be a first.</p>
<p>Do you have an agenda here?  You seem to be wildly off-message given the usual content of the site.</p>
<p>@werewolf: About as much as when I&#8217;m asked what I want to drink, or whether I want &#8220;two lady&#8221; in the SoL.</p>
<p>@Daywalker: Sorry, her phone was on hands-free for reasons probably best not discussed&#8230;<br /> <a href="http://www.2thebigmango.com/viewcomments/1593185484" rel="nofollow">View all comments by TAFKABBB</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daywalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daywalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAFKABB:   The next time I am on the phone to my girlfriend, would you mind keeping your grunts and moans a little quieter.  I can hardly hear her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAFKABB:   The next time I am on the phone to my girlfriend, would you mind keeping your grunts and moans a little quieter.  I can hardly hear her.<br /> <a href="http://www.2thebigmango.com/viewcomments/1106712472" rel="nofollow">View all comments by Daywalker</a></p>
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		<title>By: werewolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>werewolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yesman: TAFKABBB stands for "The Artist Formerly Known As Bangkok Bad Boy"

TAFKABB:  &lt;em&gt;"I doubt anyone will ansewer these but I will put anyone who does on the stand and cross examine them."&lt;/em&gt;

Do you feel cross-examined?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yesman: TAFKABBB stands for &#8220;The Artist Formerly Known As Bangkok Bad Boy&#8221;</p>
<p>TAFKABB:  <em>&#8220;I doubt anyone will ansewer these but I will put anyone who does on the stand and cross examine them.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Do you feel cross-examined?<br /> <a href="http://www.2thebigmango.com/viewcomments/19558033" rel="nofollow">View all comments by werewolf</a></p>
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		<title>By: yesman</title>
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		<dc:creator>yesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well TAFKABBB( DOES THAT STAND FOR SOMETHING?}I was hoping someone else would take a stab at it.
I dont know why anyone would like a subservent girlfriend, it nice but it just gets annoying in the long term. I have a limit on how many times a thai girl can say "up to you" before she gets the boot.
About the abuse.. you are from england? cant talk about your friends back home, I guess battered and getting the odd slap for supper not being ready on time are twoifferent things. 
You cant say that the brothels are on nearly the samr scale... seems weird giving that women are half the population.
my point was that we are not talking about an open relaionship between consenting adults, which is fine.

"I’m on record as having banged several TGs while they’ve been having telephone conversations with their sponsors or other boyfriends. They pay, I play. Fine by me."
Me too,stupid pricks. Funny I gathered very soon aftet meeting such girls that they were sluts. How dumb are these guys to miss that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well TAFKABBB( DOES THAT STAND FOR SOMETHING?}I was hoping someone else would take a stab at it.<br />
I dont know why anyone would like a subservent girlfriend, it nice but it just gets annoying in the long term. I have a limit on how many times a thai girl can say &#8220;up to you&#8221; before she gets the boot.<br />
About the abuse.. you are from england? cant talk about your friends back home, I guess battered and getting the odd slap for supper not being ready on time are twoifferent things.<br />
You cant say that the brothels are on nearly the samr scale&#8230; seems weird giving that women are half the population.<br />
my point was that we are not talking about an open relaionship between consenting adults, which is fine.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m on record as having banged several TGs while they’ve been having telephone conversations with their sponsors or other boyfriends. They pay, I play. Fine by me.&#8221;<br />
Me too,stupid pricks. Funny I gathered very soon aftet meeting such girls that they were sluts. How dumb are these guys to miss that?<br /> <a href="http://www.2thebigmango.com/viewcomments/3042470212" rel="nofollow">View all comments by yesman</a></p>
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		<title>By: hanuman</title>
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		<dc:creator>hanuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A woman looks for a good provider and a man wants to spread his seed around. It's as simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A woman looks for a good provider and a man wants to spread his seed around. It&#8217;s as simple as that.<br /> <a href="http://www.2thebigmango.com/viewcomments/3849224731" rel="nofollow">View all comments by hanuman</a></p>
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		<title>By: TAFKABBB</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@yesman: I'll take this one if I may.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Question.1 Anyone disagree that Thai women are subsevrevent to men in Thai cuture? Question 1B.. If you do agree that women are subservent in thai culture, do you think it is right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, they are subservient, at least compared to your average Western woman, and yes I think it's great.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Question 2. If A Thai women allows some infadilty because she believes it is part of a healthy relasioship.
Then why do they stay with men that abuse them physically?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Same reason Western women do.  One of life's little mysteries.  I've met far more battered women who stay with abusive partners in the West than I have in Thailand, but perhaps I'm not looking in the right places.

Domestic violence is clearly a Bad Thing (as well as a separate topic, IMHO), but it doesn't only happen in Thailand.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Question3. If a Thai lady does have a problem with ger husbands butterflying what are her practical atternatives? Does she leave her provider? If she has a kid then she is used goods with an added expense attached.Limited her chance of bagging a decent guy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you just stumbled across a good point.  You answered your own question there, really.  Discreet affairs are the way forward.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Question3. Is a Thai lady allowed to chaet on her husband in the same way a man is? Are there scores of brothels with young thai guys to service this women and I dont know about it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I thought we just had question 3?  Oh well.

Yes, there are several 'brothels', bars and clubs with young Thai guys to service these women. I think we've discussed them here before.

&lt;blockquote&gt;question 3B.. If it is not acceptable for thai women to sleep with other men. Why cant they?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who said it wasn't acceptable?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Question3C If you believe that thai girls are not allowed culturely to have other men. do you believe thast that is right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm on record as having banged several TGs while they've been having telephone conversations with their sponsors or other boyfriends.  They pay, I play.  Fine by me.

I don't speak for BBK, and can't comment on the original piece, but some of your questions reveal rather more about you than they do about Thailand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@yesman: I&#8217;ll take this one if I may.</p>
<blockquote><p>Question.1 Anyone disagree that Thai women are subsevrevent to men in Thai cuture? Question 1B.. If you do agree that women are subservent in thai culture, do you think it is right?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, they are subservient, at least compared to your average Western woman, and yes I think it&#8217;s great.</p>
<blockquote><p>Question 2. If A Thai women allows some infadilty because she believes it is part of a healthy relasioship.<br />
Then why do they stay with men that abuse them physically?</p></blockquote>
<p>Same reason Western women do.  One of life&#8217;s little mysteries.  I&#8217;ve met far more battered women who stay with abusive partners in the West than I have in Thailand, but perhaps I&#8217;m not looking in the right places.</p>
<p>Domestic violence is clearly a Bad Thing (as well as a separate topic, IMHO), but it doesn&#8217;t only happen in Thailand.</p>
<blockquote><p>Question3. If a Thai lady does have a problem with ger husbands butterflying what are her practical atternatives? Does she leave her provider? If she has a kid then she is used goods with an added expense attached.Limited her chance of bagging a decent guy.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you just stumbled across a good point.  You answered your own question there, really.  Discreet affairs are the way forward.</p>
<blockquote><p>Question3. Is a Thai lady allowed to chaet on her husband in the same way a man is? Are there scores of brothels with young thai guys to service this women and I dont know about it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I thought we just had question 3?  Oh well.</p>
<p>Yes, there are several &#8216;brothels&#8217;, bars and clubs with young Thai guys to service these women. I think we&#8217;ve discussed them here before.</p>
<blockquote><p>question 3B.. If it is not acceptable for thai women to sleep with other men. Why cant they?</p></blockquote>
<p>Who said it wasn&#8217;t acceptable?</p>
<blockquote><p>Question3C If you believe that thai girls are not allowed culturely to have other men. do you believe thast that is right?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m on record as having banged several TGs while they&#8217;ve been having telephone conversations with their sponsors or other boyfriends.  They pay, I play.  Fine by me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t speak for BBK, and can&#8217;t comment on the original piece, but some of your questions reveal rather more about you than they do about Thailand.<br /> <a href="http://www.2thebigmango.com/viewcomments/1593185484" rel="nofollow">View all comments by TAFKABBB</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chaiyen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what the woman practise in their private life, without the open knowledge of friends and relatives ARE NOT THE SAME as the practise being socially acceptable. being socially acceptable means they do that openly without shame or fear of scorn by others. which part of this does you not understand? I AM CORRECT.. NOT MAYBE. I AM CHINESE IN A CHINESE-DOMINATED COUNTRY. what you are saying about the financial situation of the women being a huge factor in determining their tendencies to seek "external pleasure" is correct but that is what they wanted to do in secrecy without open knowledge of others. how could you qualify that as socially acceptable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what the woman practise in their private life, without the open knowledge of friends and relatives ARE NOT THE SAME as the practise being socially acceptable. being socially acceptable means they do that openly without shame or fear of scorn by others. which part of this does you not understand? I AM CORRECT.. NOT MAYBE. I AM CHINESE IN A CHINESE-DOMINATED COUNTRY. what you are saying about the financial situation of the women being a huge factor in determining their tendencies to seek &#8220;external pleasure&#8221; is correct but that is what they wanted to do in secrecy without open knowledge of others. how could you qualify that as socially acceptable?<br /> <a href="http://www.2thebigmango.com/viewcomments/2634730246" rel="nofollow">View all comments by Chaiyen</a></p>
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