The St. Moritz G-Club and Some Help Understanding G-Clubs by BigBabyKenny

The St. Moritz is a G-Club on Sukhumvit Soi 11.

It is at the end of Soi 11 where the street comes to a T intersection. You can’t see it from Sukhumvit.

At the T you turn left and it is on the right hand side right next to the Q-Bar. The place is huge and hard to miss although the entrance is kind of funky. You have to go around the side, walk down into the garage and then up to the front. You can’t walk directly to the front door from Soi 11.

I visited the St. Moritz on consecutive nights, sat down with a saleslady and went over the membership details and the pricing structure, and spent the evenings hanging with a couple of the hostesses.

The St. Moritz and The Soprano House have similar décor and ambiance. Both of these places are nicer, cleaner, better maintained and classier than The Pent.

There is a large stage in the 3-storey main room, private karaoke rooms upstairs, and a bullpen/seating area on the side for unclaimed girls where the dancers and hostesses sit when they are not hostessing or dancing.

The seating area for unclaimed girls has tiered seats so that you can check them out easily.

The St. Mortiz has tables next to the stage, tables where you sit on stools, and also semi-private cabanas along the back wall.

The show alternates between an excellent band, a short stage production by the dancers, and all the dancers coming out in a kind of lineup where they slowly circulate across the front of the stage, dancing, and trying to interest customers in calling them over.

The stage is impressive, with Las Vegas quality lighting and the sound system including control and monitoring of the overall volume and sound balance is first class.

The club is very opulent and must have been decorated by the same designer used by The Soprano House-dark wood, red velvet, and low key neon mood lighting. Overall the club has a very classy and elegant feel—an order of magnitude classier than The Resort or The Pent.

Your mamasan takes you over to the bullpen and introduces you to the girls and answers any questions e.g. which ones speak English, which one are uni girls, how old they are etc.  This is a different setup than The Soprano House where the unclaimed girls stand inside the bar, right in the middle of the club, where they are always visible. At The St. Moritz, the unclaimed girls are off to the side and out of view from the main club.

There has been some confusion in previous posts about the mamasan. There are actually three people you interface with at a G-Club besides the girls– the servers, the mamasan, and the saleslady. The servers actually pour your drinks, the mamasan finds and gets you girls, and the salesladies sell memberships. Sometimes these functions are combined but typically the server, mamasan, and saleslady are different people.

It is a little intimidating to walk into the bullpen and eyeball the girls. I suppose there is nothing wrong with working your way down the lineup and having a few words with the girls you might be interested in but typical behavior is to choose primarily on looks.

Most western guys are uncomfortable eyeballing the girls because back in The World doing this would get you punched by the girl’s boyfriend, slapped by the girl if she didn’t have a boyfriend, brought up on sexual harassment charges if you are a high school teacher, or kicked out of most clubs for felony bad manners but in a Thailand G-Club what is boorish, barbarian, socially scorned behavior in The World is expected, welcomed, and A-OK.

The St. Moritz girls are super friendly, smiley, giggly, and well dressed and made up. Selecting a girl is  amusing and fun once you let go of your inhibitions and remember you are in Thailand not back in The World.

Frankly, it was a nice change from poorly dressed and made up bar girls to see girls wearing good makeup, with properly plucked eyebrows, who chose clothing to match their figures, with skillfully coiffed and colored hair.

The approachable attitude of G-Club girls makes sense when you realize the amount of money in play during these impromptu girlstakes.  The girls at these clubs only make money by being selected by the customers. At the St. Moritz, the only chance to be selected is when customers come over to the bullpen. With 60 girls in the house and 30+ unclaimed girls hoping to be selected, the girls are strongly incentivized to do something and anything to stand out from the crowd.

The girls are on a quota so if they don’t get chosen often enough, eventually, the club might take some type of action, e.g. firing them.

When you do select a girl for the evening, the courting process is not over. Sure the girl is going to get commission from 2 or 3 drinks that night, but if she can somehow convert you to a regular who comes to the club on future days the potential money in play becomes quite large by the standards of the girl’s world.

Rather than pretending you are a billionaire and money doesn’t matter to you (an attitude none of the wealthy people I know have BTW), a better strategy, given the underlying economics, is to give off the vibe you are interested in having a regular girl at the club and that the girl you are currently with has some special characteristic, i.e. big boobs, long hair, weight under 40kg, or a big booty that you find particularly appealing and makes  the girl you are currently with particularly appealing to you.

Being aware of the underlying economics should also embolden you when actually sitting with the girl. The girls are really trying to please you and will respond to any reasonable and even some quite unreasonable by the standards of The World requests.

In fact, the girls welcome special requests because instead of having to puzzle out what you want, you make their job easier by just telling them.

For example, the girls if requested will drink heavily, dirty dance, let you cuddle up to them, let you put your hands in the wrong places, lap dance you, slip out of their bras ala Flashdance, slip off their sexy Brazilian cut purple lace panties and carouse all evening buck naked under their micro mini semi see through chiffon cocktail dress and send you home with their panties as a souvenir (for the Japanese Guys, ☺), etc. etc. etc.

I didn’t do it but the St. Mortiz hostesses will bring a lineup of girls over to the tables where the girls stand in a line in front of a table of dudes and the guys make a selection among the girls in the lineup or send them back if nothing catches their eyes. There are too many unclaimed girls for all of them to come over to your table so the mamasan must have been applying some pre-selection criteria to winnow the girls down and find the subset to bring over.

The mamasan in these G-Clubs are nothing like the mamasan’s in the beer bars and GoGos frequented by farangs. They are attractive, younger, well dressed (sexy business suits with miniskirts, fashionable heels, all cut very tight) and like most good sales people are friendly, personable, outgoing, and well socialized. They typically go out of their way and really put in an honest effort into finding what you are looking for or what will please you.

Unlike The Pent, the St. Moritz has an adequate girl supply for the customer base. The nights I was there about 2/3rds of the tables were occupied with customers and girls they had chosen and there were still about 10 dancers and 30+ hostesses, many of them stunners, in the bullpen hoping for customers.

In 4 visits to The Pent where I arrived between 10 and 11PM, every time the hostess supply has been exhausted with no girls available to drink with additional customers. The small room/bullpen for unclaimed girls at the back of The Pent disco room was denuded and there were no girls, except the dancers behind the bar waiting to dance, not already committed to customers.

Realistically, The Pent should have twice as many hostesses for the number of customers they have. There are some hot hostesses but every time I have visited The Pent, they have already been hooked up with customers and were unavailable. The St. Moritz doesn’t seem to suffer from the girl shortage of The Pent.

Unlike The Soprano House, the St. Moritz has a much livelier atmosphere with more customers having a good time with more girls. You don’t have the creepy crawly feeling of the service staff eyeballing your every move at the St. Moritz because there are more customers for the service staff to take care of. Like The Pent, there is enough action so you can get lost in the crowd and do your own thing.

The membership details are:

30,000 THB which includes 12 bottles of liquor or 6 bottles of liquor and 40 drinks. The drinks can be used for paying the girls fee.

If you do the math and assume that bottles of premium liquor typically cost 3000 THB at a similar club the girl drinks come out costing 300 THB each. If you are a non-member, girl drinks are 400 THB each.

When you select a hostess the first 40 minutes costs 2 drinks and every additional 40 minutes requires one additional drink so there is an upfront fee of 600THB to have female companionship.

Dancers must be paid 3 drinks for the first 40 minutes or an upfront fee of 900THB and one drink for each additional 40 minute increment.

The hostesses sit with you until you release them. The dancers periodically leave and return when they have to go onstage but must return to hang out with you between dance sessions unless you formally release them.

There is a 10% discount for members on additional services and non-members are not required to pay the mandatory 10% gratuity assessed on non-members.

It seems that The Pent is the only G-Club that doesn’t front load the girl fee but the problem at The Pent  is the severe hostess shortage so by 11PM there are no hostesses without customers or you are limited to choosing among a half dozen leftovers so the lack of frontloading is moot at The Pent.

The St. Moritz frontloads but the front loading the mildest of the G-Clubs I have visited.

The St. Mortiz has no predatory mandatory mamasan fee like at The Resort. The St. Mortiz mamasan is provided gratis.

Of the 4 G-Clubs visited, The Soprano House, The Resort, the Pent, and The St. Moritz, the St.  Moritz seems to offer the best balance of readily available girls, pricing, and atmosphere.

I still haven’t gotten to the point where I have done anything but dirty dance and grope the hostesses at any of these clubs, so I am still reserving judgment on whether these clubs are a colossal waste of time and money or whether there is some sanuk to be had.
Other G-Club Posts:

The Soprano House

The Resort

Related Posts from the past:

45 Responses to “The St. Moritz G-Club and Some Help Understanding G-Clubs by BigBabyKenny”


  1. 1 Cow Boy Old Hand Jan 25th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Hey BBK, you say that you still reserve judgemnt on the G Club concept - but how mucg money do you estimate you have already spent in not reaching a decision?
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  2. 2 MSB Jan 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    So do they have short time rooms upstairs or do you nip across the road to the PB Hotel for a shag??
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  3. 3 Penfold Jan 25th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Nice post
    Im a G-club virgin so this place is worth a try by all accounts. I get from the post your have a bit of a downer on pent?
    There a dresscode at all?
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  4. 4 smitty Jan 25th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    p - I think u should try a few of them out. from bbk’s description of this place looking like sopranos would turn me off it right away but some may like that type of joint. I think just opening up a bottle and having one night out is the way to determine what u like. I also don’t think at ANY of the places would u be paying anymore than the cost of the bottle for this exploration.
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  5. 5 thongsuk Jan 25th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Hi Ken

    This is a very thorough and very informative post.
    There’s loads of good information here and you’ve put it into a clear, unbiased form.

    Clearly, some are plug-bored with the bush-pig action at the go-gos and membership in one of the these places, where we could meet and play dirty with good looking intelligent whores and play it this way for a change.

    I would look forward to this over an evening of greedy mamasans and dumb-ass farm girls whose idea of good manners is that you can’t tell her to go fuck herself when she tries to rip you off.

    I’d like to thank you personally for all the “hard” work and effort you put into it and the others you’ve researched.
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  6. 6 doctorbond Jan 25th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    I second that - Kenny always provides a thorough and interesting read
    I have not tried any G clubs yet but the St Moritz seems like a good place to start
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  7. 7 Powers Jan 25th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    I agree that it is worth dropping into one of these places and checking them out. Recently I visited the Pent to see what it was like. I won’t go into a description of the place, others have already done that. But I will say that the music in the front room - the lounge area - be it the band or the music system was romantic mush from the Lionel Ritchie era so if you like that stuff, go early and get a spot in the lounge! I personally was reminded of the scene in the movie Airplane where the little old lady keeps trying to commit suicide while listening to the guy ramble on about his love life.

    We got there at about 10pm so too early for the disco but a little late for the nice girls from the bullpen. My buddy and I talked to a couple of very average girls in fancy dresses for 45 minutes. We bought a bottle of vodka (2800 or 3200 I don’t remember) and mixers were allegedly 100 baht each for tonic, 50 baht for redbull. Turned out they all cost 100 and they tried to charge us for the unopened ones too. The girls must be about 3 drinks for 45 minutes (x 2 girls so about 2,100 baht), but they poured from our vodka bottle and still charged us full price. The girls also asked for orange juice for their/our vodka, so 2 OJ’s came in at 720 baht extra on top of the drinks. No amount of questions would result in a straight answer for why that was, so I guess that’s just the way it is. The sales lady also helped herself to a drink (fair enough) and the service charge was 10%. They also acted very odd and just couldn’t understand what I was asking for when after we had finished, as I wanted to keep the ticket for the bottle. I mean, this was well after the bill was paid - so I don’t know what little scam they were trying on, but I finally showed them my tickets for qbar, bed, etc and they figured it out. God bless ‘em.

    We were about to give up on the place, but by now the Disco was open. I will say, they do have some very hot coyote dancers and if you want to check out a club like this, the Pent is a great choice — just go after 11:30 or so and go directly to the disco. Throw a casual glance at the Lionel Ritchie crowd on the way in and see if it looks like your cup of tea, but the girls dance. I mean they actually dance and smile and look like they are having fun. Looks like a fun atmosphere, the clientele seemed nice and the girls looked sexy! We only stayed long enough to finish our drinks, so I only had time to fall in love twice.

    Anyway, the post above about St. Moritz has a lot of accurate info, but just to say, if you want to try a G-club, trying a place like the Pent disco first is a good way to work your way into them.

    - Powers
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  8. 8 BigBabyKenny Jan 25th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Cowboy Old Hand,

    Except for the girls, these places are not that expensive. It costs the most if you go by yourself or with only one friend.

    When you have 4 or 5 friends out for the evening, it is actually quite cost effective. You spend 3000 THB for a bottle and shared between 5 people it comes out to only 600 THB for alcohol for the evening. If your friends are not lushes or pounders there will probably be liquor left over you can drink on a future night.

    Most of us easily spend this much buying a single drink at multiple GoGo bars on SC or Nana in an evening.

    If you go Japanese Style and get 3 or 4 girls for each guy you can blow off a big wad,but this just isn’t the style of any farangs I know.

    If you have some Japanese friends you should definetly consider wheedling your way into their party when they visit one of these places. There is nothing more fun than being with a group of free spending Japanese perverts with two or three girls for every guy and all the girls doing the best they can to down as much alcohol as they can stand while doing everything within their power to keep all the men happy.

    If you go in a party of 4 or 5 and rent a girl for the evening, it will cost around 2000THB–expensive by BKK standards but very reasonable compared to the cost of a night out in a large city back in the USA-without the pleasure of decent female company.

    Personally, I have probably blown off a litle over 15,000 THB at these venues but I always enjoy something new so I don’t consider the money wasted.

    Thongsuk,

    I also sometimes get tired of the SC and Nana GoGos but not because the girls are from the farms.

    I get tired of the SC and Nana GoGo’s because many times there are too many low class farangs in them. People write on the internet bitching and moaning about how Japanese guys are ruining the GoGo scene, but, personally, I welcome the Japanese because they class up the place.

    I have a hard time wrapping my head around eurotrash and Australian and English soccer thugs who are sitting in a GoGo all sweaty,smelling like a gym sock, dressed in their sleeping shorts, shower thongs and a dirty unwashed holey T-shirt with their grey underwear and butt cracks on display with 2 or 3 naked or nearly naked 18-25 year olds girls for everyguy in the place, who instead of enjoying the girls want to spend their time playing dominance games with the other guys in the bar.

    It is a nice change of pace to go to a G-Club where everyone showers once a day, washes their clothing after wearing it once, and is wearing shoes, dress pants, and shirt with buttons and a collar.

    BigBabyKenny
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  9. 9 smitty Jan 25th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    great post and good info. Interesting since when the place was called the Ritz it was failing and dead all the time. I heard they needed an infusion of capital and did a name change as well. You are right about the pent being busy and needing more girls but must be a nice problem to have.

    I agree on the reasons for visiting g clubs. I too tire of the go-go scene and like a change of pace. This debate will go on and on but I still believe there is a fraction of the girls in g-clubs working as dancers that are super hot and the closest we get to super hot women that might be available for action as well. Paid or not. There is no way some of these girls would work at a go-go or in a massage place or as an escort. They are too gorgeous but need work as well.

    Sure some of them may offer themselves in exchange for money and some do not. I like the challenge and I like the attitude they have which is so much different than a go-go girl who has to contend with getting barfined almost everyday whether she likes it or not. There is no way a girl in that situation has a fresher attitude than a hottie who decides when and if he wants to go with someone. These two situations have no comparison in my book and make for much different experiences.

    I have a had a few good trips to forte over the past few weeks and have met probably the hottest girl I have had access to. yes - we have dropped some coin in the process but all of us who have gone have been hanging with women we would never have been able to any other way. Not a ton of money and well worth it. And no - have never seen girls like this in nana, cowboy or the pong and I have been coming here for years.

    Anyway. It is all just another layer of the fun here. I am going to try and get to more of the non-member coyote joints with even less Farang and see how that goes. I just need more days in the month.
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  10. 10 John Brown Jan 25th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    I’ve never been to the G-clubs in Bangkok, but from reading up on the places on this website, it sounds to me a lot like the “hostess” bar concept in Tokyo where you essentially pay a girl to sit with you and pour your drinks and keep you company. There is no grey blur about why she is with you.

    Sure you can hit it off with the girls, but the initial contact is strictly financial.

    It seems to me that with more and more Japanese influencing Thailand, Bangkok is becoming a lot more like Tokyo.
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  11. 11 smitty Jan 25th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    jb - true to point but not quite. if u want the hostesses than what u describe is correct. however the coyote girls, the ones one I deal with, u can buy some drinks as u go and they are not on the clock unless u want them to be. After meeting them at the club I get numbers and meet them out later or on dates. Not on the clock.

    Also there is entertainment at these places so it is not like u are just sitting on a couch with a girl. Towards the end of the night these place become quite chaotic and turn into a party of sorts. Tons of flesh on display and lots of hot dancers. Having partied in tokyo quite a bit I know of no equivalent type of joint.
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  12. 12 John Brown Jan 25th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Sorry to double post so quickly, but I also find it interesting how so many people (not pointing fingers) keep turning a blind eye to the rising costs of entertainment in Thailand. Bangkok and Phuket in particular.

    Let’s face it. Costs are going up fast and the strengthening THB certainly doesn’t help matters unless your income is in THB.

    Seven years ago, Bangkok was “ridiculously cheap”. Three years ago, it was “cheap”. Nowadays, so many people rationalize and say…. “well, it’s “still cheaper than New York, London, Tokyo, etc. etc…”

    OK, keep turning the blind eye. :)
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  13. 13 smitty Jan 25th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    jb - what is it we are suppose to do to fix it?

    not go out?

    I think all of Asia is getting more expensive - or let’s say the globe. asia is cranking so it is to be expected I guess. the thai baht is strong but at the same time the good ole dollar is pretty pathetic at the same time.

    Am I suppose to just up and move? cambodia is cheap but frankly pretty boring. I still feel like bkk is one of those places where u can do it cheap or expensive. having lived in hkk I found there is no cheap there anymore.

    anyway. might I suggest using the off topic forum if this turns into a bkk is not cheap discussion which is a valid topic.

    http://www.2thebigmango.com/sf-forum?forum=2&page=1
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  14. 14 Calvin Jan 25th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Smitty - I know you’ve exchanged numbers with some of the ladies at the G-clubs but have you met them outside of the club for a night out or some fun times in the sack ? Do you think these clubs are more just for fun and a different experience, as opposed to trying to get laid ? And, one final question, how much would it cost (in your opinion) to take a girl out for an evening of fun and a shag ? Do they work everyday, like the gogo / bar girls ?

    And would you take them to McD’s the next morning :)
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  15. 15 smitty Jan 25th, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    c - it is like a big bag of options. the first couple I have hooked up with I have paid nothing. Literally I would meet them at a club. Sure I bought some drinks but one time the girl had her own bottle and I paid nothing.

    Other girls I know the conversation has led me to believe they would put out but want to be paid. Other times it is more like dinner and a movie or going somewhere like Santika. Nights out like that I pay for but I would be out anyway so not like it is that much.

    What’s great about these places is you just get in there. meet them and take a few courses. You will also see these girls out in the after-hours places looking to hook up. It is just not as direct as a freelancer or go-go girl but I think they are more real in bed.

    Most of the girls will work 5 days a week. Some more. Some will work 7 days a week when not in classes and then take time off during heavy course loads. Some don’t go to school and are like professional coyote girls looking for the cash or the boyfriend.

    A few of the coyote girls I have met would be in to being a gf pretty quick.

    it is a smorgasborg of tricks…

    I think if you aim for the shag u won’t get it as easy as u think unless the girl is looking for the cash. I tend to just aim for the less professional of them and see where it goes. I would have no problem though if they want money for banging since I think the quality is higher.

    U will dump some money sorting all this out but I think they are fun girls and I like the change of pace. As much as I talk about these places I maybe go once a month unless I have visitors in town who want to see the places. ONce u bag some numbers and such u can meet them out without ever going to the club. The one I have had the most fun with I am not even a member of her club.
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  16. 16 Calvin Jan 25th, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    If I understand it - For a short time visitor (10-14 days vacation) these clubs may not offer the best chance to hook up with one of these ladies. Would you say it’s a better venue for men who live / work in BKK / Thailand ?
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  17. 17 Penfold Jan 26th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    I know youve been inundated with questions on this smitty so im gonna throw one in.
    Do these chicks accept you have a GF and your there for a bit of action on the sly? say if by chance you were to bump into them with wifey on your arm, they’d play it cool?

    I had this situation a few times with FLs and bargirls from my past, and they handle themselves like c*nts, I just cant hack the jealousy shyte
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  18. 18 bkkunderground Jan 26th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    penfold: These girls can be discreet but you have to let them know upfront you have a gf. Most of the time when digits are exchanged they will ask if it’s okay to have your number or to call you. If you say no they will understand you have a gf.

    I first went when it was called the Ritz on a friend’s corporate account. The vibe is very mellow so might not be fun for most. I personally prefer to get hostesses since they can sit with you all night. But if you want breaks between to chat with your friends then the coyotes are a good way to go. That night at the Ritz the girl had me pick her up from the basement lot at closing and then we continued to the Tunnel for some after hours fun. She calls every now and then to hang out but overall no pressure.

    There is a bit of a dress code in these places, like no sandals or flip flops. Best if you wear slacks and a shirt but if you’re in nice jeans and a t-shirt you should be fine as well. That’s what I usually wear.

    St.Moritz, was also Onze before it became Ritz. I think the construction in Soi 11 that closed off the street really drove away customers for awhile so the renaming may be a way to get them back. One of the mamasans, imho the hottest woman in the place, used to work at Exotica. I forget her name but she takes amazing care of her clients.

    I think if ur a respectable middle to upper middle class farang who has a decent job and salary and would enjoy hanging out in something similar to a hotel bar with hostesses then St.Moritz would be fun. But it’s not as raunchy or crazy as the places out on Srinakarin Rd can be. And definitely don’t think it’s worthwhile for a tourist since you definitely won’t get p4p on the first night. And it really helps to speak Thai.
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  19. 19 Wombat Jan 26th, 2008 at 4:34 am

    Thanks Kenny.

    Another researched in depth contribution. The part that I found most informative was the above description of my fellow countrymen & tourists from England & Europe. As I am always willing to be educated I would like to thank you for pointing out that it is only the saviours of the free world who know how to dress & behave.
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  20. 20 werewolf Jan 26th, 2008 at 7:48 am

    Powers: I have commented extensively on g-clubs and the Pent in particular on this website in the past. I like the Pent because I go straight to the Disco every time, and I deal only with the coyote dancers, not the hostesses.

    I stay well away from the front room, which I hate. I agree with everything in your comment, but I love the Pent because I can go to the disco (which is similar to a go go bar) and get the high service standards that go along with a g-club. The best of both worlds.

    The reason I DON’T like other g-clubs is that the live band is playing old English & Thai pop tunes… it’s torturous. In other clubs you don’t have the choice to avoid it; you just have to wait through it until the dancers come on. At Pent, the two forms of entertainment are broken into two separate rooms. Perfect for me.

    Penfold asked above if Kenny didn’t like Pent. I noticed Kenny has commented since then but didn’t answer that query. Kenny went to Pent three times in one week, and I was with him the first and third visit. I think he enjoyed himself and overall would say good things about the Pent, but it provides a useful baseline for comparing specific components of other venues. I think Kenny’s biggest issue with the Pent was not being able to get hostesses to the table when he wanted them (because he feels they don’t have enough working there). This isn’t a concern to me because (as stated above) I only spend time with the coyote dancers.

    Of course BBK can speak for himself… just trying to be helpful. :D
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  21. 21 Young Penfold Jan 26th, 2008 at 8:19 am

    From the sounds of it the ‘hostess’ gig is a bit of a take

    Maybe im missing the point of the whole G-club scene as I’ve never been before, but surely being under orders to buy her XX drinks in XX time, otherwise she leaves, equates to the similar kind of shyte you get in nana/cowboy gogos with LDs? Seems to me thery’re dressing it up a bit - like putting a thug in a silk dressing gown and giving him a pipe

    I could dig the coyote scene, but surely its easier, cheaper and far more relaxed to go to a normal club and mix with equally hot thai girls for a fraction of the price?

    Or have i COMPLETELY missed the point?
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  22. 22 TAFKABBB Jan 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    @penfold: Sure, it’s like a regular club, except the hot chicks are kind of obliged to speak to you, which they aren’t at eg. RCA. You pay for this privilege.

    I’ve been to Forte a few times and had fun, but didn’t find the girls any more physically appealing than the best that the gogos have to offer (by which I mean the top
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  23. 23 anon Jan 26th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    “I have a hard time wrapping my head around eurotrash and Australian and English soccer thugs who are sitting in a GoGo all sweaty,smelling like a gym sock, dressed in their sleeping shorts, shower thongs and a dirty unwashed holey T-shirt …”

    I was momentarily transported to Pattaya when I read this…
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  24. 24 smitty Jan 26th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    c - probably correct unless you come frequently.

    p - I think bkk summed it up. If you state u have one and don’t try to deceive them then I think you are cool. Note though that for some it won’t sop them from pursuing or trying to get time with u. Many of the guys who frequent place like resort are married or have gf’s and are hooking up with these girls and the girls now the score. THey also deal with it much better than the go-go girls in my opinion.

    ww - I would mostly agree but I think places like forte have toned down the music a bit and have been pretty fun lately. the pent disco room is great though. no doubt.

    yp - I would say u missed the point. g clubs for me are not about the hostesses. they are about the coyote girls. RCA has not coyote girls. RCA girls are a pretty tough bunch to crack from my experience but worth trying for.

    t - maybe to a point but it is not all about the looks for me. I like that they finished school. speak real thai in complete sentences. Have some sense of culture, personal pride and are not beaten down by the pole and weary customers. I like they are not all from isaan and god forbid some of them are even born in bkk. For me there is no comparison. finding hot bodies in bkk is not that hard.
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  25. 25 cruiserPimp Jan 26th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    “I have a hard time wrapping my head around eurotrash and Australian and English soccer thugs who are sitting in a GoGo all sweaty,smelling like a gym sock, dressed in their sleeping shorts, shower thongs and a dirty unwashed holey T-shirt …”

    BKK…As Slim Pickens said in Blazing Saddles…”You use your tongue purdier than a twenty dollar hooker”.

    You must have been in Baccara bar in Soi Cowboy the same night as me. They all fancy themselves as Hugh Grant, but look like Bean and complain loudly that they can’t get girls for less than the cost of a London Tube ticket (zones 1 and 2 only).
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  26. 26 cabby Jan 27th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    John Brown - I don’t know if anyone is turning a blind eye. In fact, there are plenty of people who refuse to go to the 140 Baht per beer gogos because they don’t perceive any value added for that 10-25 Baht and want to say ‘fuck you’ the only way they can. The people who can’t afford afford Bangkok’s increasing prices are already in Cambodia. And when Cambodia picks up as it will, they will be in Laos or Burma or somewhere else with an economy playing catchup.
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  27. 27 smitty Jan 27th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    c - agreed. u choose where u get value for your money but some people’s notion of value is different. If what u want is tjhe cheapest beer and lays than for sure places like cambodia might be a better option but I don’t find cambodia to be all that cheap apart from rooms and cold beer. Eventually cambodia will have to figure out how to deal with the dollar peg and they will raise prices to survive. All of asia is growing and inflation comes with that. I don’t see bkk as being the only place in asia with prices rising. SIng and HK are easily outpacing bkk along with china.

    However - a place like cambodia will take 20 years to ever offer an experience in living and working similar to bkk. So I think it depends on what you are looking for and the only benchmark is not prices of bottled beer and short time rates.
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  28. 28 werewolf Jan 27th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    “…the only benchmark is not prices of bottled beer and short time rates.”

    hmmmm… aside from rent, I don’t really spend my money on anything else. Bottled beer and short time rates sound like great lifestyle indicators to me! ;)
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  29. 29 smitty Jan 27th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    ww - okay. I will give u that might be a price indicator.

    I am sure u have been to cambodia ww - u honestly think your overall lifestyle, job opportunities and quality of women is the same? I have a hard time thinking that is true having traveled there many times myself.
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  30. 30 werewolf Jan 27th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Actually:

    1. I have only been to Cambodia once to visit temples.

    2. I agree with you about everything you said.

    3. I was just attempting some lighthearted humour with my previous comment.
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  31. 31 ex uk Jan 27th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Sorry to bring this back up about trashy farang, but did get brought up in conversation in the duke last night. After the duke I went to meet some friends on soi22, titanium was okay last night by the way. After, I walked up to soi 2 to my hotel, through soi4. Farangs were all fighting outside morning midnite. Makes me proud to be English, not!
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  32. 32 Daywalker Jan 27th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    re.- the fight at Morning Night’ bar…. I believe one of the blokes who twatted was French. So every cloud………
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  33. 33 Young Penfold Jan 27th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Ive never chinned a frenchman
    But its good to have goals and dreams isnt it?
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  34. 34 Daywalker Jan 27th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    I don’t recommend it… you’ll feel empty and every thing else in life will be a letdown.
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  35. 35 werewolf Jan 28th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Daywalker: If you want a euphorious moment or two, I know a Frenchman in town who could use a good beating. Would I owe you a beer for hitting him, or would you owe me for pointing him out to you?
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  36. 36 tripper Jan 28th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    Morning Night… isn’t that the bar with the police CCTVs outside? Silly boys.
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  37. 37 smitty Jan 28th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    ww - just checking. I hear this cheap charlie talk and how people say they will just go to cambodia and I laugh. There is no way a life in bkk compares to a life in cambodia. Not at least for the next 10 years.

    ex uk - having almost been randomly jumped at one time in bkk by some drunk english asses I get pretty tired of them but as an american I get equally embarrassed by the middle aged dudes with dick-dos, bad hair, bad clothing, lack of hygiene and their seemingly insatiable desire to walk down the street hand in hand with the littlest tart they can find pretending this is how everyone does it. I just want to put them on the plane back to arkansas.
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  38. 38 doctorbond Jan 28th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Let me just say that as a man who is about 2% French, I am 2% insulted - the remaining 98% of me says - yes - go twat him
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  39. 39 ChelseaBlue Jan 29th, 2008 at 2:40 am

    Daywalker:I know a French girl whho’ll give you a run for your money !! She’s kick-boxing in Rangsit as we speak…….yee haa!!
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  40. 40 day walker Jan 29th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    I know her too! ;-) ‘apparently’ she has a nice little tattoo on near her box?

    - I love French women. (well… all women)

    It’s just the numpty blokes that need a slap.

    :evil:
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  41. 41 ChelseaBlue Jan 30th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    Daywalker:Did I tell you about the tattoo??
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