Life goes in waves with my own life’s continual oscillations beating against my better judgment at times but still I persist. Thailand once again is having issues and for the moment they are taking a toll on the tourist trade. Amazing that a country so dependent on tourism will allow this to go on. Sometimes I think the government really has no idea that at the end of the day they are suppose to ensure the country is conducive to business and look after the welfare of their citizens. Not much of that going on right now. Even more amazing still is that the PAD thinks they are doing a good thing and that the folks who really pull the strings are funding them. Just shocking.
So what can one do? Keep doing what one always does since for the most part nothing is really being affected at all. Closing times appear to be going later, there is no real personal danger and there are still more girls than guys here. P4P or not. High season is coming but too much damage could have already been inflicted but I hope not.
This in from the South China Morning Post - stats you won’t see printed in Thailand:
Tourism, which accounts for more than six per cent of the economy, has been particularly vulnerable to the political crisis. Since the state of emergency was declared, the number of foreign arrivals at Bangkok’s Suvarnabhumi airport has dropped 30 per cent below the average of 8,000-10,000 visitors per day.
“The political turmoil has badly affected the travel and tourism business in Thailand,” said Apichart Sankary, president of the Association of Thai Travel Agents, adding that the fall in numbers was already costing Thailand 400 million baht (HK$90.8 million) a day in lost revenue.
At least 13 countries have now issued warnings concerning travel to Thailand. Foreign tourists were predicted to bring in about 600 billion baht this year, according to the Tourism Authority of Thailand.
Thanks to all who came to the blogger’s night at the Big Mango. I think it went well. As usual every time we have a party it rains so it looked like things might be dead but folks started coming out and the place was packed most of the night. Always fun to see people walking around trying to figure out who is who. Many times people look to us to reveal who people are but we leave that to the individual’s choice since sometimes a collision of the virtual and non-virtual world is not always pleasant. All in all a great night though and thanks again.
Made a quick run the other night through Nana and I am sure I am not alone in saying that it just keeps getting worse. Fortunately the Ghost, Stickman and others agree so this is not me harping on the place. For the moment I live on Soi 4 and wish the place was better than it is since it makes for an easy night out but more and more I bypass NEP and head straight to Cowboy. I can’t be the only one doing the same judging from the empty bars.
I will be moving soon. Since I am a renter I find that moving to a new neighborhood every so often is a nice way of enjoying all the city has to offer. Next stop is on Sukhumvit Soi 23 but not near Cowboy but close enough. Future posts will be tinged with themes like - tales from the Grotto, Damn that is a big balcony and did you know the uni was this close?
Tried a few new places this past week and weekend. I have logged them into durianseed.com. Speaking of which, here is our new logo - I dig it:
Although for the moment it may not look like it, we are working on a re-design of DS and working on new features so users and businesses can add themselves to the system. We are also planning out for other cities in Thailand and other countries in SE Asia.
First place I went to is the new club in Patong called The Parkbridge. Nice to have a new club in that area. The place is super cool looking but a bit small. They still do not seem to be opening their second level but that should help when they do. They play cool tunes, the bathrooms are the bomb and the place is very stylish. Not cheap by Patpong standards but they seem to draw a quality crowd. I wish them luck.
Second place I tried was over by the old airport area or kind of between JJ market and the old airport. It is called ก๋วยเตี๋ยว - บ้านแม่ยาย - which roughly means the noodle shop in my mother in law’s house. It is an old house on a nice plot of land converted into a restaurant. It is owned by a Thai music star and gets a lot of celebs swinging by. Good food, nice place to chill and a good crowd. Take your Thai bird there to impress her.
I also popped out to see Bangkok Dangerous. Not an amazing flick but anything by the Pang Brothers is worth checking out and this film is pretty much filmed entirely in Bangkok. You might even see people you know in it. It was cool to see a Bangkok movie for once not focused on the sleaze per say. Meaning prostitution, go-go bars and massage parlors were not the theme. However a G-Club, Caribbean, played a very prominent role. I think this may pique interest in G-Clubs a bit but for sure it painted Thailand as an exotic, crazy place to be. A little too many elephants, lots of dead Thais and a few cheesy Hollywood moments tarnish it a tad but still enjoyable.
There are comments and thread devoted to why some guys chase uni girls or why G-Clubs would be worth the money. For me it is all about mileage - meaning these girls have been “used” a lot less than your average go-go pole worker. For example - the other night I found myself in R1 and was chatting up one of the girls I enjoy chilling with. It was the 5th of Sept and I guess the 5th is always payday in Rainbow land. Most bars are the 3rd but I guess they are pretty strict in Rainbow. So if you are looking for a R bird chances are she will always work on the 5th. Anyway I saw this girls paycheck - all 1800 baht of it. Turns out Rainbow cuts left, right and center for any minor infraction. This girl worked 19 days. She had 17 offs. That’s the wear and tear I am talking about folks and I am always game for paying a little bit more or going the extra mile for a girl not getting worked some 90% of the time. Maybe its just me though.
Actually, The Nation has a story on the stats, with some detailed breakdown:
http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/09/09/business/business_30082915.php
View all comments by Pattaya Ghost
Some Gogos at NEP are doing good. Why put everything in the same bag??? Especially when you are a bar owner on soi 4. I don’t get it.
This mileage thing is a joke. You go to a Gogo because you know what you can get. It’s easy, quick and rather cheap. If you are concerned about mileage, do you know that there are a lot of non sex-working girls outthere, besides Uni and G-clubs?
The cashier at Tesco, the employee at the bank, etc. They have probably less mileage than your G-clubs girls and are for sure far much cheaper to entertain.
View all comments by Suk Psycho
The new Nicholas Cage had a record-setting opening weekend on US screens - record-settingly bad. It’s a bomb.
Anyone else remember the great press shots of Cage in BKK? That shit-eating “I-cannot-BELIEVE-this-place” grin.
View all comments by Pants Elk
pg - thanks.
suk - u go to a destination, say cowboy because u easily have a few hours of bars to check out. not so in NEP anymore. Used to be BTW. There are only a few good bars left so after those say 2-5 bars there is nothing left. Whereas I can go to cowboy and have say 8-10 bars that are at least decent. I am also not into LB’s so Nana has as many LB bars as there are normal good bars.
I have said it many times. I am not bashing NEP - I tried to make it better. Even managers in NEP are grumbling now. This is not just me. Soi 4 is living on its own in my opinion so having a bar on soi 4 does not change my opinion that NEP is a dump and needs works. I have been going there since 99 so I think I know the difference at this point.
on your mileage thing I hear u. I was just stating some stats cause I think a lot of people may not know. There are reasons for the tweeners as I call them cause they get the scene and entertain but are not crazy possessive or boring like the eh - Tesco girl. Each to his own. Is stating an opinion some how a crime?
pe - those where funny indeed. SO was his get out of town quick routine when the coup happened. The movie is not great. I enjoy the pang bros and was fun to see bkk on the screen with quality filming. Unlike most Thai flicks.
View all comments by sideshowBOB
The marketing for Bkk Dangerous was terrible; must have spent all their money on production.
I know a few girls quite well who have worked in the gogos and they’ve made the same general comments about the management. That being promises are made up front about taking care of them and throwing out big numbers which are only realized by the top 1%. When revenue numbers are down management looks for any excuse to not payout. Considering the industry for what it is there shouldn’t be any surprise this it the norm and not the exception.
View all comments by Bubba
Yeah.
I agree.
They sould knock down Nana and put up a condomall (condall ?) like they are doing with the rest of Bangkok.
Soi 23 Sukumvit?
Is that the last BTS stop before Poi Pet?
View all comments by jack dawson
jd - they should fix it before someone does. that is my point.
condomall works - or condomcenter?
View all comments by sideshowBOB
And my point is that we should not focus only on the bad things and be more balanced.
Lots of readers come here to find information about the p4p scene in BKK. If you keep on telling them that the whole NEP sucks, they won’t go. If you keep on telling them that G-clubs are the only fun in town, they will all go there. And 6 months from now we’ll have more and more Midnite-like half-gogo-half-coyote expensive bars around the place and not 1 true Gogo anymore. And I don’t want that! Hope I am not alone.
NEP still features good places like Rainbow 1 and 4, G-spot, Carousel (sometimes) and a few other ones. True that it is not what it used to be, but I guess the low season is also to blame. If you look at Cowboy, apart from Shark and Baccara, most bars are near to empty: Doll House, Long Gun, Suzie Wong, Raw hide… This should change in the coming month if they don’t close the airport and don’t start a civil war…
But this is the vicious circle of more clients-more girls-more clients…
View all comments by Suk Psycho
The number of tourists are down & it is all the fault of the PAD. Am I the only 1 that finds that premise a little simplistic? Certainly the PAD has some effect but many tourists on package tours would have booked months ago. There are a myriad of factors as to why people are not travelling. Increases in the cost of air fares for 1. Later this month it will cost me slightly more for a 9 day trip as it cost me for a 13 day visit in late April early May. I believe the cost of petrol for cars has increased in most countries this year & I understand the strenghtening of the $US is not going to help. In the US there is also the sub prime mortgage problem. As for Australia weekly expenses have gone up. Recently petrol was up to $1 per litre more than it was a couple of years ago. The cost of groceries has increased considerably. Interest rates have also increased from 12 months ago. Inflation is up across the board. Unemployment is on the rise. With the exception of Queensland & Western Australia the rest of the country is on the borderline of a recession. Too further compicate matters the $AUS is falling against the $US & other countries currency. Earlier this year it nearly achieved parity with the $US & I was getting nearly 30THB to the $1. At the moment it is way down & if it continues to decrease the days when it was referred to less than affectionally as the Pacific Peso can not be far away. I suggest Australia is not the only country having problems. The PAD is a part of the reason for falling tourist numbers but not the sole reason. Thankfully my parents made enough money to indulge their idiot son.
View all comments by Wombat
I’ve just be overthrown by my staff who object to me cooking at home
View all comments by doctorbond
“cooking”…. exactly what is that? Not something you’ll find me doing
View all comments by Daywalker
NEP doesn’t (to my knowledge) have 200 baht lady drinks, 2,000 bar fines or non-bar finable coyotees, like Black & White and Spice Girls on Cowboy!
NEP has Rainbow 1 and 4 for top quality girls and Pretty Lady, Playskool and Mandarin for some fun new girls.
Cowboy has Baccara, Shark and Tilac. And that’s it.
View all comments by Brewsterbudgen
@ DW - cooking is what felled the Prime Minister
View all comments by doctorbond
saw bangkok dangerous in macao. must say it was a bit hokie. hit man falls in love with innocent handicapped thai woman? how does that work? the only scene i enjoyed was in the beginning featuring soi cowboy albeit vey little though.
View all comments by lostwages
Am I the only person that finds Nick Cage an annoying twat? Next & Ghost Rider were multimillion dollar turds
I was gonna check it out at my local North london cinema, but the thought of paying 11pounds to watch that long haired bellend prancing around Bangkok, while sitting in chewing gum/semen covered seats (me not Cage) persuaded me otherwise
View all comments by Young Penfold
Yeah I saw Bangkok Dangerous the movie was ok, just cool to see all the places like Cage slipping past Tilac in his Brothel Creepers. The G-Club looked worth a look. It was Packed with Farang was that just for the movie or normal for that one?
I think the standard rate is 14K in Rainbow but I guess it depends on the dancers anyway I took an old Rainbow friend out in Patpong and she loved the music in one of the Gogo’s (lost sponsor, back to work soon) and I told her they only pay 7K. She laughed and told me none of the girls care about the salary from the bar as they can make it up in one night. She was a pretty one.
I know they have to pay there own barfine if they don’t work and have to pay 500 baht if they wear the wrong colour. White instead of Black. Some of the girls only wear the colour they like and always pay the 7.5K fine monthly. Show’s how desparate they really are for money.
I saw the Dodgers vs Padres last night in Petco Park. The game was boring but the crowd where excellent. Great atmosphere and a good piss up too.
View all comments by Young Royal
Yeah forgot to add Nana is getting a lot worse. R4 has fallen from grace with me, but not to worry all the hotties are in R2 now. Cowboy has been rocking lately. I had some problems with the cops this time but I threw some baht about and everything was cleared up. Although they really didn’t want it. They are getting serious now. Up until Oct I think so be careful folks it’s starting to get pricey folks…
View all comments by Young Royal
I have been hearing of Nana Plaza’s demise since 1988 when I first went there.I”ll be dead an buried a 100 years before they ever shut down.I was in pattaya in 1969 as a 22 year old,didn’t get back there until 2001,could not believe it.No one has to worry about the night life going away,not in your lif-time.
View all comments by trapperjohn
ssB writes “Sometimes I think the government really has no idea that at the end of the day they are suppose to ensure the country is conducive to business and look after the welfare of their citizens.”
This has never been an agenda item in Asia. This was a French idea (The French Revolution) which later swept Europe and American colonies. This is a purely western historical idea.
Thailand’s change to a constitutional monarchy (1932) also came from France… the overthrow of the absolute monarchy by a group of mostly french-educated “young turk” civil servants.
Asia’s governmental model is not far off the mark from its earlier fuedal warlord days. Goverment is for the benefit of the governors. Any benefits to the general populace are only justifiable if it ultimately enriches the governors.
This place is only confusing if you try to see it through western eyes. Try squinting!
View all comments by Rene Descartes
Cage is easily the most over-busy actor of his generation. Almost completely talent-free, he glides from one stinker to the next, pocketing a few million bucks for yet another lip-curling slouch through scripts apparently dictated by computer gamers in the middle of a tournament. “Irritating” doesn’t do him justice. Horse-faced, lardy, catatonic …
View all comments by Pants Elk
suk - my job is not to get people to go. My task, as I see it, is to tell it like it is with some balance. I am not going to write a NEP puff piece hoping to help the place out. There are a few good bars - mostly the rainbow ones in my opinion. There used to be a lot more but seems to be less and less. I am sure pmmp will cover last night’s run in the weekly but needless to say - our group of four people - after a few NEP bars all decided to head to cowboy. I don’t think we are alone in this regard. Yeah - NEP is great. Love the fading neon sign at the entrance.
I hardly write on g clubs nor do I push them. I just tell people that they are there and some people really do like em. Not sure what is bugging you. Nor do I think the lame ass attempt of go-gos doing fake coyote is cool either. I have written many times I think it is lame.
wombat - I get your point. Thailand is facing all sorts of headwinds but I beg to differ that the current reckless acts by the PAD and the stubbornness of Samak is not taking its toll. The Bangkok Post is quoting today that arrivals at the airport from Aug 29 - Sep 5 are off by 170,000 people and they attribute this to the state of emergency which is the fault of the PAD. That is a lot of tourists.
b - no one is promoting the barfine a coyote model. Apart from the bars you mention shebas is rammed with girls right now. Cactus is fun and I think rawhide and long gun have their moments. There is also just a ton more nudity on cowboy. Or you could go to carousel in nana with nude shows but also 200 baht drinks.
lw - it is not a great movie but still fun to see bkk on the big screen.
yp - u are not alone but his wife is smoking hot.
yr - r4 has slipped. I think r1 and r2 are the better joints. r3 with an honorable mention for the music but not enough girls.
tj - we go through this everytime. the last 21 years there has been a 25 year lease. so it makes sense that during that time NEP was in no danger of going anywhere. That master lease is up in 4 years or so and the CPB wants to wash their hands of the girly business and I don’t the current indian crew with the master lease can afford to buy the land. Especially when families who own the landmark are bidding for it as well for the sole purpose of removing it. Times have changes. Soi 10 beer bars were always going to be there. SO was the asoke corner, suk 22 and so on and so on. Things change. The point, no one seems to want to acknowledge it, economics will win. Not the punters. However NEP could spruce up and try to make a real go of it but somehow I doubt it.
rd - i know but I can still say it sucks.
pe - so true but damn someone likes paying him tons of money for it. if I could be so lucky to be so lame and yet so overpaid. Or maybe I am already…
View all comments by sideshowBOB
ssB is bang on the money in my opinion.
I think that Bangkok will always have a “scene” - I certainly don’t see it vanishing within my lifetime. The Thais are far too fond of it to let it go. I’ve said this heaps of times, but to reiterate - I’ll start worrying when the Thai places are being threatened with closure.
Thais don’t frequent NEP or Cowboy, so they don’t care. Would another mall/hotel/condo block result in higher rents for the NEP site? Yes, clearly. It’s just in too good a central location, a brief hop from the skytrain, to justify keeping bars on it for much longer.
I can see things eventually moving towards the massage and freelancer industries, with the gogo bars dying out, but that’s going to take years if not decades.
Until Thailand’s economy and politics undergo dramatic transformations, there’ll always be girls who need the money. The market will keep on finding ways to redistribute our money into their buffalo farms, don’t worry about that.
I didn’t see the movie yet.
View all comments by Bangkok Bad Boy
On DurianSeed - interested on anything about Singapore? I live in SG and could contribute the occasional review. And yes, I’ll try to submit a couple of things on the scene here when I find some time.
View all comments by Julian
j - eventually we will be in sing but not yet. bkk is our test bed for now. once we get the add your own venues working for both individuals and business then moving to other cities will be much easier. That should get going this month for bkk and then we will be working to scale locally to 2k-4k venues. Then look at other thai cites and then go from there. So stay tuned and thanks for the help!
View all comments by sideshowBOB
BKK Dangerous, is a remake of the original Thai version where the hitman was the mute but still falls for the Pharmacy girl who was not mute. Funny how they tweaked the movie so Cage can have lines.. ha ha.
SSb… I wonder if you have just worn out your gogo days and are moving into other areas in life? My friend moved to Vegas a few years ago and no longer had that desire to play cards 8+ hours at a time nor hit up the mega clubs.. his tastes have changed.
View all comments by Goodlife
Bangkok does that to you Goodwife - I used to like sex with real girls
Any plans of Durianseed featuring Chiang Mai? Or just the MAJOR cities?
View all comments by Young Penfold
I think the point being missed here by the author of this post is that Thailand is not really dependent on the tourist trade. 6+% of the GDP is only 6+% and not a huge percentage of the overall GDP itself.
With the Baht weakening a bit, exports are probably slightly on the rise again, which is a greater element of the GDP than tourism is.
Certainly the impacts of the current political uprising upon tourism which are being noted are not important to the politicians who have their own selfish interests at hand in the first place and probably view that as a small casualty of war.
And how politics affects a small element of the sub-underground culture, meaning bars and restaurants around Sukhumvit, is only an impact visible anyway by the people who are in those related business.
So in light of the bigger picture, it plays a small role and typically people who are directly affected by things like that are the only ones who normally macro-analize things like that anyway.
As for Bangkok Dangerous, I think this user review I saw on IMDB written by Bob Bobson pretty well sums it up:
“For starters this movie was awful. Where to begin actually reviewing it though? Maybe Nicholas Cage’s bad acting, and his ever-present voice-over(find me three movies he’s done that don’t have reading a voice-over and I’d be amazed), the recycled plot(assassin’s decided to let someone live then his employers go after him), or maybe Cage’s disgusting haircut(it’s like he wanted to be Javier Bardem in No Country Fir Old Men, but ended up looking like one of the three stooges only less funny).
Even if you saw this movie high you’d fall asleep. The action was almost as boring and predictable as Cage’s performance. I couldn’t even recommend this for patients with head trauma.”
View all comments by DayKrawler
I found a Gogo bar in Meng Jai, Ratchada… the place was ok but the were very very welcoming. They looked so happy to see a Farang come in. $$$
View all comments by Young Royal
Opps forgot to mention I was taken there by a Thai guy and he said there’s lots of Gogo bars in the city. Apart from the ones listed on here. Sorry I don’t have names and places I forgot to ask, but I will get them.
View all comments by Young Royal
i’ve been trying for ages to BF coyote dancers from Spice Girls hahaaa..pretty hot girls.i only manage to go out with a few of them after closing time..drinking n stuff.
anyone had any luck? or is there a catch to it??
View all comments by smokiee
I hope things calm down by early December which is when I have my flight booked for. If tourism is down shouldn’t that mean more available women? I know it doesn’t help the bar owners. But I wouldn’t mind if NEP shut down. I would miss a few of the bars though.
I want to see Bangkok Dangerous which is playing now in North America but I’m waiting for my girl-friend to come up from Florida next week so we can see it together. She was in Bangkok once years ago when she worked for the World Bank.
Nicholas Cage is the nephew of Francis Ford Coppola, the famous Hollywood director. I think that’s the main reason he gets good roles. He won an Academy award for “Leaving Las Vegas”. The only movie I liked him in was “Matchstick Men”. He plays a good OCD person. Cage was married briefly to the daughter of Elvis Presley which might have also earned him some props.
I’d like to see the original Thai version of Bangkok Dangerous. Is it the same title (only in Thai)?
View all comments by kwai mai sabai
KSM: It is the same title, and you can download it for free in 11 parts from YouTUBE if you want. I’m sure from a thousand other sources as well.
View all comments by Werewolf
sorry… KMS…d’oh!
View all comments by Werewolf
Saw Bangkok Dangerous last night with a girl I met on TLL. SHe loved it, but she really like Cage for some reason.
Having seen it, I think I need to make a trip to Caribbean Club… (next week ssB?)
View all comments by The Ghost
ssB- I don’t believe I stated that the PAD wasn’t having an effect. It is. Though there are other factors at work. I suspect the PAD’s influence on tourism numbers will be felt over the coming months. Word has it that the UK, German & French economies are about to go into recession. That won’t help. That said I’m booked ont a flight on the 24th. YooHoo. I may even get around to trying a muufin. Just assure me it is not going to be a disappointment
View all comments by Wombat
Thanks, Werewolf! Found it on YouTube per your advice. I’ll have a look for it in Pantip Plaza too when I get there. I just have to dodge the guys selling “sexy movies”.
Or one of the bootleg shops in Mah Boon Khrong might have it too.
View all comments by kwai mai sabai
dk and w -
the PAD was able to force a port closure for multiple days. This wacked the quarter for exports. tourism is the biggest employer in thailand so the follow on effect is huge. It is also the biggest taker of foreign reserves. another blow. many economists state that the GDP number alone is not the whole story. Financial times is saying that the whole debacle, caused by the PAD and supported by the asst. coach could shave 1% of the final GDP number for the last six months of the year. I hardly think that is no big deal.
for my next business I will open up a farm. Then when there are economic problems I be sure to use only farming references since people think I only bitch about tourism cause I have a bar. I am just calling it like I see it.
This current debacle is also affecting local consumption as well. Poor farmers.
the MM rule.
View all comments by sideshowBOB
ssB- I would be wary of any farming venture as the illness & mortality rate amongst water buffalo semms to be particularly high in Thailand.
View all comments by Wombat
w - great point but actually part of my business angle. I may write about my plans but worried that some schmuk will steal it.
My farm will be virtual - of course I will have photos and shit. I already have access to the farm in Chiang rai. This will go with my virtual school. You see there are so many suckers out there and cunning bar girls that I figured it was time for me to step up and make some cash.
The farm will solely exist for the purposes of milking money out of stupid guys who fall for bar girls and all their antics. I will split the money with the girls. So for instance say a girl needs some quick cash and she needs to use the “my sick buffalo” routine. I provide the photos, the vet documents and the after photos showing the full recovery. The girl can get a credit card, paypal or whatever to facilitate a fast transfer. Then she comes to the offices in Mango HQ to pick up her cut. I pocket the rest and all the short term interest on the money I am holding.
The second phase of this will be an english shcool followed up with japanese classes, computer classes, salon school and accounting schools. So said bargirl convinces offshore sponsor that she is going to be a “good girl” and go to school. We provide photos, course materials, certificates and progress reports. Even a call center for worried sponsors to make sure said bargirl is in class. Of course her attendance rate will be above 90%. Can’t be a perfect 100 since we all know Thai girls sleep too much. The courses can all be booked with a credit card through the corp website. The girls will get about 40% of the money in their pocket and we pocket the rest. Girl gets educated(on paper), makes money and said sponsor feels good about himself.
win win
View all comments by sideshowBOB
shit - I hope wall street engish does not get pissed off that I outed them…
View all comments by sideshowBOB
ssB- A well thought out business plan with a good chance of success. If I just pay you direct can I get a discount?
View all comments by Wombat
w - hell. I never even thought of that. maybe I will sell insurance - kind of like insuring yourself against the dealer in poker. people, like u, could pay me a small fee per month and then if the girl you end up sponsoring signs up at one of “my” schools we charge you much less but still keep the illusion up for the girl’s self esteem.
taking notes…
View all comments by sideshowBOB
Young Royal, what happened with the police if you don’t mind me asking?
View all comments by Jimmy Cricket
Nicholas Cage is one of the biggest jackasses in cinema. Period. Top 5, easy. I fuking HATE that halfwit! Everything he has done SUCKS ASS. And if anyone says “what about Raising Arizona?” I’m going to smack them.
View all comments by walterego
Between Nicholas Cage and Keanu Reeves, I find it hard to decide which one I’d get tired of kicking first.
View all comments by Daywalker
we - name the date, time and place. bring on the smack - raising arizona is amazing.
dw - KR was perfect the matirx but it that is about it.
View all comments by sideshowBOB