Bangkok’s gogo bars have been getting a bit of a slating recently in terms of service and value. According to the majority of commenters that I’ve read on the subject, the girls seem more and more to be completely disinterested in having fun - rather just looking to maximise their profits by delivering perfunctory service in as swift a time as possible, whilst still demanding top dollar.
There are, of course, exceptions, as I’ve found myself saying rather often recently. And as I mentioned on that page, perhaps it’s more satisfying, in a way, to find the One Awesome Gogo Girl in a bar, who performs with delightful enthusiasm and a fervour for fornication. But when you come across (f’naar f’naar) her mercenary counterparts, it’s no fun at all.
Some would say the girls are quite entitled to provide shoddy service. After all, how enthusiastic would you be about the prospect of being crushed under a lardy, drunk, sweaty and aging farang?
The old-timers often hark back to the days of old, when there was no such thing as “short-time”, because you knew she’d be staying all night, shagging you seventy-three times, and then cooking you a full English breakfast in the morning, with extra black pudding. In a maid’s outfit. In which she would then slip under the dining table, in order to fellate you as you crammed dead pig and scrambled eggs down your maw. All for just 20 baht, or free on Sundays.
And whilst there’s certainly an element of “nostalgia ain’t what it used to be” to their wistful remininscing, they do all agree on one thing, which is that service levels have plummeted. They can’t all be wrong, and even in the few short years that I’ve been doing Bangkok, I’ve noticed a perceptible change in attitude myself. It’s real, and it’s probably not going to go away until the gogos do.
We’ve only ourselves to blame really, collectively at least. In the Thai/Asian joints, good service is not so much encouraged as required. A poor performance by the girl will result in irate complaints. Poor performers don’t tend to last long. This hasn’t changed.
Meanwhile, as the tourists flocked to the gogo bars of Nana, Cowboy and Patpong, they were so impressed - nay, awestruck - by the fact that hot young Thai girls would even speak to them, let alone sleep with them for a relative pittance, that the girls began to realise that they would generally earn the same money regardless of how much effort they put in.
Sure, people will talk about refusing to pay a girl if she sucks (or rather doesn’t), or demanding a refund for the barfine for non-performance. They are a tiny minority. By and large, it just doesn’t seem to happen. So the girls have figured out that they’re probably going to get paid whether they perform or not. So why bother trying? Why indeed not just lie back and think of Issan?
And so they did.
Don’t get me wrong - I’m not declaring the death of the gogo bar like some people. I still find a few of them fun places to hang out - the view upstairs at Baccara takes some beating, King’s Corner in Patpong is a great place to watch thoroughly confused tourists, Rainbow 4 is still quite a spectacle if you catch it on an (increasingly-rare) good night, and even Angelwitch isn’t a bad place to entertain a newbie who hasn’t seen all the shows before. Speaking of shows, I’ll never tired of watching the main attraction at Suzie Wong.
So there’s still plenty of life left in the gogo scene. It’s just fallen further behind the alternatives. Let’s explore them, with the help of a bucks-per-bang pricing system. Which is like bang-per-buck, but backwards and sexy. Rather like myself. I’ll use some of my own experiences as examples, and assume a rate of 33.5 baht to the dollar.
The Gogo Bar
I’ll use an example from a few weeks ago, at Rainbow 3.
Drinks: Two beers for me, at 135 baht a pop. I already knew the girl, so I didn’t have to spend time getting to know her and figuring out whether it was a good idea or not first. Plus a lady-drink for her, because swaying lethargically whilst leaning on a chrome pole is thirsty work. I’m guessing a lady-drink is 150 baht at Rainbow 3, anyone who knows better is welcome to correct me. So 420 on drinks. This is a pretty light example - my bill’s often in the region of 1,500-2,500 (including barfine) by the time I take a girl out of a bar…
Barfine: 600 in this case, but it ranges from 500-700 baht in the regular gogos. I’m not counting the 2,000 baht barfines for the “coyote” girls at eg. Spice Girls, nor the equally silly prices on Soi 33, because I’ve never paid that kind of daft barfine, and never will.
Room: I took the lucky lady to the luxury of the short-time rooms next to the salon on the top floor of NEP. 300 baht. Oh, and 20 baht for a condom.
Sex: Most ask for 2,000. But most can be persuaded to accept 1500. Which is what happened.
Performance: Pretty good for a gogo girl, but then I knew that already - that’s why I chose her. Tried and tested, and all that.
Total: 1020 in the bar, 300 for the room, 20 for condom, and 1500 for the dirty deed of darkness.All in all, 2840. Again, this is definitely on the cheap side, at least for me.
Rounds: One.
Bucks-per-bang: $84.73÷1 = $84.73
The Soapie
The last time I went for a soapy was at Bangkok Cosy.
Drinks: I think I paid 120 baht for a beer, but that’s a large beer as opposed to a small one. So less than half the price of the gogo in real terms. Drink this while you’re making your selection. Then you’re usually asked if you’d like any more drinks in the room - I think I just took my beer up, plus a water for her. Not much time for drinking. From memory, I’d say less than 200 baht.
Barfine: none
Room: included
Sex: 1,800 - soapies are fixed price.
Performance: On this occasion was awesome. In the bath, up against the tiles, on the sofa, and pretty much everywhere except on the bed.
Total: 2,000
Rounds: Two
Bucks-per-bang: $59.67÷2 = $29.84
The Freelancer
And finally, the Chiang Mai girl I plucked out of a club last night.
Drinks: I paid 300 baht to get in, which included a drink, then bought another 2 beers for me at 200 baht each, plus one for the girl. 900.
Barfine: none
Room: Back to my place. 100 baht taxi.
Sex: Can still get away with 1,000 baht with a lot of girls. 2,000 isn’t exactly rare though. The prima donnas will demand more, especially if they’re gogo girls by day. Or rather night. Conversely, some will go for free. This depends heavily on where you are. Girls at CM2 will demand a fortune. Girls at Lucky Pub will usually not. I paid 1,000.
Performance: Extremely enthusiastic.
Total: 2000
Rounds: Two
Bucks-per-bang: $59.67÷2 = $29.84
The Numbers Bit
Of course, there are countless other options. This is Sparta Bangkok!
The Eden Club works out at around $35.80 bucks-per-bang (plus drinks), assuming you can manage 3 pops in 90 minutes. That’s with two girls though. Beer bars are obviously similar to the gogo model, but a little cheaper (for drinks anyway, and sometimes the girl).
Then there’s the BJ bars - Lolita’s works out at a marvellously economical $20.88 bucks per bang, assuming you don’t buy a drink (which is perfectly acceptable), but that’s oral-only. On the non-soapie massage front, an honourable mention to Tulip, which works out at $31.33 for a 90 minute three-hole extravaganza (600 for house, 1500 for girl), assuming two rounds.
It gets trickier with non-P4P girls. A meal, a movie, shopping, drinks… Depending on her tastes (or yours), that first date can cost rather more than any of the above. Of course, the hope is that your investment pays dividends further down the line, and you’re getting free sex several times a week - that’s where the calculations get a little hazy…
At the other end of the scale, there’s the higher-end soapies like Tarawadee, where the standard prices are 3500, 4600 and 5600 baht. Or a threesome at Poseidon, for which I paid 7,800 last year. Well, a friend paid. Which was nice.
But for me personally, sex with the average gogo girl seems to cost two and a half times more money than with an average massage girl or an average freelancer. And like I said, that was a particularly cheap experience. Normally I’d probably have more than two beers, buy her more than one drink, and maybe even buy drinks for other girls in the bar who I happen to know. To be fair though, the soapie was one of the cheaper ones, and the freelancer was as cheap as they come. Doubling my prices wouldn’t be difficult, and even tripling them wouldn’t be much of a stretch if you hit the right/wrong places at the right/wrong time.
Is it fair to include drinks prices? Well, given that you’re pretty much obliged to buy at least one, I’d say so. You could factor in the cost of tips, plus that of getting to the bar/soapie/nightclub/whatever in the first place, but I had to draw the line somewhere.
Why?
Combine that 150% surcharge with the fact that service is so often underwhelming, and you have a rather strange situation. The most expensive, and often the least satisfying option, is probably the most popular.
And that’s not just with tourists and newbies. It’s true for me as well. I spend far more time in gogos and beer bars than I do in massage parlours or nightclubs. I’m not always - or indeed often - barfining, to be fair - got to love the cellphone harem - but plenty of other people are.
For me, I think it’s the social element. Friends frequently ask if I want to go on a bar crawl. Very few will ever suggest going to a soapie together. And the after-hours scene just doesn’t really fit in with my lifestyle at the moment. By the time the clubs get going, I’m usually asleep. Last night was an exception, and an enjoyable one. I’ll write more on that experience in the next couple of days.
So I’m not particularly bashing the gogos. I’m just saying that for me, at least, they seem to have become the most expensive and least rewarding path to getting laid. Yet they seem to be as popular as ever. Do my fellow bar-hoppers have better luck with regards to performance, and bottomless expense accounts? Are they ignorant of the other options? Or are they, like me, just there for the vibe and the social scene?
I guess it’s not going to get any better for as long as people in their droves are prepared to pay 145 baht for half a bottle of beer, and double the going rate for a shag…
nb. This article was originally published at Werewolf’s Lair.
IMHO the service has not declined all that dramatically since 1989 when I first went to Thailand. More like expectations & prices have increased. No anal sex & if you wanted a blow job you went to the Kangaroo Club. Or the Phillipines.
View all comments by Wombat
Yes, the gogo’s have certainly deteriorated in the last few years IMHO. It used to be a certain LT based on the customer’s expectations… now, it is mostly ST based on the gogo dancer’s expectations.
But, at the same time, I will not BF a gogo dancer ST unless she agrees (almost always enthusiastically
to 2 pops… That’s decent value to me anyway and enough to keep me going back.
View all comments by John Brown
“the view upstairs at Baccara takes some beating” Meat-beating? And do you mean the view TO upstairs, or FROM upstairs? While I enjoy the clublike atmosphere on the top deck, there’s a lot to be said for squinting past the fatties on the ground floor, up through the glass ceiling to the unfortunate sacoon-girls who can’t even afford a pair of knickers …
View all comments by Pants Elk
I think the ease of use is a big factor in the popularity of the go-go. Mama/papasan will speak some English, arrange everything for the customer, and everyone knows the deal. Outside of that it can be trickier to arrange.
I’ve been soundly mocked over at TFS2M for the fact that I’m a little gunshy about bringing a go-go girl back to my hotel, and rightly so I guess. But since I’m in BKK on holiday I’d rather go clubbing at night. Massage place works great for an afternoon delight and then serious hunting starts much later.
View all comments by tosh
“..lie back and think of Isaan.” hahaha…classic
View all comments by swampthing
View the go-go as a whorehouse and yes, you will find it lacking. But view it as a strip-joint, where the dancers, even the service staff are available for sex, and you cannot fault it. We’ve all been to lapdancing joints in the West and paid through the nose for a tease. In the Thai go-go you only get teased if you want to. If you want to fuck her, you can - and cheaply. Go-gos remind me of ‘if Carlsberg made’ ads. I don’t go there for sex - but to enjoy lithe female bodies in the company of like minded fellows, happy in the knowledge that I can shag any of them if and when I want to, the lithe female bodies that is. If I want a truly satisfying, no strings nut I will go to a soapie, a gfe, a freelancer. Go-go sex should be impulsive - for when you see a dancer and really must have her, rather than a place you set out for when you really need a grind.
View all comments by milo
I agree 100% with your observation that the focus has shifted from what the customer wants to what the girls want. And I’m not just talking go-gos. I’ve been at several non go-go bars over the last year or two and seen the staff drunk off their asses and demanding that customers buy them drinks. One even bought herself a drink on my tab even after I had told her no three times.
One night on Cowboy a go-go dancer was so drunk she couldn’t even stand up with the help of the pole. She kept sliding down the pole and almost fell off the stage several times. Management’s reaction? Laugh.
They don’t care about making the customer happy at all.
View all comments by Billy Bangkok
what a great post informative and clear minded thanks
View all comments by toddmorocco
Well, I had a great time at the go go (or more precisely AFTER the go go) tonight in Chiang Mai; but it wasn’t a dancer, it was a service girl who came back to my place and gave me the fuck of the century for a thousand baht. Any negative thoughts I’ve ever had about Northern Thailand have been erased in one glorious hour. I’ve now forgotten about every other girl I’ve ever known. I may move to Chiang Mai.
Personally I’ve always enjoyed go go bars; my attitude has probably been shaped in much the way that milo describes it. Also, I have always ignored (or more accurately - avoided) mamasans. I deal with girls directly, and I really only spend time with them if I enjoy their company. I have very few complaints about my experiences, and by contrast to American style strip clubs Soi Cowboy go gos are among the greatest value on earth.
On the other hand, I’ve never really been comfortable in freelancer joints. I like having the activity of dancing in a go go. The only other places I really enjoy going are pubs where I can shoot pool. Places like Thermae and the Beer Garden make me feel creepy.
BBB: Great blog, but I don’t understand why you converted all the prices into US dollars?
View all comments by Werewolf
When taking into account the cost of airfare, accommodation etc all the above mentioned calculations become chicken feed.
To make things worse Thai Airways have just increased by $500 the cost of return trip Melb-Bkk to $1700.
Makes one wonder if it’s really worth coming to Thailand.
GREAT, new, all around, post by Werewolf about Chiang May and his recent adventures over there.
It’s called ‘First timer’s look at Chiang Mai’ and I’m surprised he didn’t mentioned it in his comment.
It’s on the excellent ‘Bangkok Diaries”site. Click on Billy Bangkok link (comment #7).
Do yourself a favor !
View all comments by Manny
BJ bars, not Go Go’s are the worse value for money.
800 Baht for 5 minutes or maybe even less…
View all comments by Manny
Excellent review of the nightliffe scene in Bkk. Imust be getting old like the writer as I am often tucked up in bed just as the action begins so I try to get a “take away” fairly early on .
Please keep up the good dispatches most enyoyable
View all comments by charles hobson
Hey, BBB, what was the club you picked up the freelancer you mention in this blog entry? I dont think you would mind telling, it is not like you are the only one to go there and thus exposed to being recognized if you share the bar/clubs name. Just interested as I dont really know where to pickup freelancers in downtown with that same value as you did (I am definetly enough monger yet to pick someone from the Miracle Mile
:-D)
View all comments by kv
Manny,
Many thanks! And yes, WW’s post about Chiang Mai was a classic.
On a side note, Manny, babe, you gotta try to hold out for more than 5 min. I know these gals know how to work the pole but this is Bangkok not you getting laid for the first time in six months type of thing
Just taking the piss, sorry.
For me, I have a hard time deciding whether the best value for the money is your typical freelancer or an actual girlfriend. I know you’re going to spend more on the girlfriend but it can be worth it when all aspects are considered.
Problem is that it’s not all about the immediate cashola. I think WW commented about this before but taking a lo-so girl to do something as simple as negotiating a refund is pointless because she knows she’s lo-so. Take a Chula girl with you and she already thinks of herself as above the common store clerk.
I have a few hi-so friends and believe me they don’t take any crap from your typical Thai. Granted, I wasn’t dating them so I don’t know how much the upkeep on a girl like that would be but you get the picture.
All in all, it’s tough to say which is the better value. My opinion changes constantly. Can you compare some tart who tries to take the piss with a late night phone call and has to leave after you’ve agreed to long time to a 90 min session with a soapy girl? It’s different things. You have different expectations.
Personally I like waking up to a beautiful woman in the morning. I love shagging her before noon and being in a pleasent state the rest of the afternoon. That may not be the next guy’s cup of tea. For him blowing his load and giving the gal a boot may be the thing he craves most.
When it comes right down to it I think it’s the old saying that you don’t pay a prostitute for sex; you pay them to leave when you’re done with them.
BBKK
View all comments by Billy Bangkok
I agree with 3B. Love hanging out in gogos, but generally have the most fun with freelancers/party girls. Though there is a danger in the after hours scene of getting too ridiculously hammered. And trying to wake up a hungover TG for a BJ before checkout at 12pm just ain’t gonna happen sometimes. Soapies for me are more for relaxation than anything else
One point I think worth mentioning is the decline of the beer bar in Bangkok. A few years back there used to be clutches fo these all over lower Sukhumvit (around Asok, Soi 23, Clinto Plaza, the complex of bars on the opposite side that got bulldozed overnight, and more…). The quality in these places was variable, but there were more than a few diamonds in the rough, or just rough diamonds, for you to have a fun and cost effective night out.
View all comments by Combover
Bt3,800 in Mandarin on Thursday night. Zero pops…..
What am i doing wrong????
View all comments by MSB
I like Billy Bangkok, who runs a high quality and informaive blog calle “The Farang” blog (see the Useful Links Page) as well as “Bangkok Diaries” and (I believe) others as well. I have contributed heavily to the Bangkok Diaries blog, including the Chiang Mai report. (In spite of all this, Billy still doesn’t list Werewolf’s Lair on his blog roll at the Farang. I’ll keep trying until my site eventually rises to his standard….)
Billy doesn’t allow sex stories on Bangkok Diaries, so what appears there is actually an edited version of a longer and more detailed blog that appeared about an hour ago at Big Mango Blog.
That said, the focus of the WL site right now should be on the BBB writing, which is setting a very high standard for interesting topics and good writing. You’ll be subjected to my drivel again soon enough.
BTW Manny: My typical time-in-the-saddle at BJ bars is usually about 20 minutes. One reason for going to BJ bars is because these girls won’t ever give up… they keep sucking until you come. No bar fine, no lady drinks, 700 baht, professional blow job. Great value! I often take the 2-girl, 1,400 baht option and for 20 minutes I feel like the King of the World.
@MSB: you’re taking too much money with you.
View all comments by Werewolf
Good call WW. I didn’t even realize you weren’t on my blogroll. Now outed I have corrected the error and beg for your forgiveness
View all comments by Billy Bangkok
WW: 20 minutes / 2 girls at a BJ bar ?
I wish !
Just watching ONE girl get down on her knees and I’m 80 percent near the line…
Can’t help it… the sight is awesome.
Maybe I’m turning Japanese
View all comments by Manny
Billy: “Personally I like waking up to a beautiful woman in the morning. I love shagging her before noon and being in a pleasent state the rest of the afternoon.” This is absolutely my cup of tea.
KV: When in BKK I usually pick up freelancers from Spicy, Spice Club or Boss Club. But I hope to explore more joints on my next trip.
View all comments by Phoenix
Blimey. Okay, let’s break this down…
@Wombat: Interesting - obviously I wasn’t here in 1989, as I was learning long division and wondering what high school would be like. I once met a girl in the UK who “didn’t do” blowjobs. I hadn’t realised they still made them like that. I guess progress has been positive in that manner then, at least.
@JB: The number of gogo girls who’ve been up for two rounds in a short-time hotel I think I can count on the fingers of one hand. That said, I’m probably being too passive - I’ll certainly try your approach.
@Panties: You know full well what I mean, as we’ve sat at the rail upstairs many a time, trying and failing to attract the winsome gaze of our friend Bambi.
@tosh: I’ve never had a mamasan/pasasan assist me in any way, nor have I needed to. I’m not entirely sure what they’re for…
View all comments by Bangkok Bad Boy
@milo: That is a very, very good post. Fully agree.
@Billy: You got it. Also agree entirely.
@Werewolf: There’s a phrase “bang per buck” which I wanted to reverse. Since a buck’s a dollar, I figured I’d do it that way. If the well-known phrase has been “performance per pound”, “effect per euro” or even “fun per franc”, I’d have used on of those currencies instead.
@Manny: Totally agree, and I guess there’s a school of thought that says if you paid thousands already just to get here, then whatever the girls charge is pretty much irrelevant. On the other hand, since flight prices are on the increase, I’m surprised people aren’t looking to make savings on their activities once they’re actually here. Oh, and Lolita’s is 700 baht for 12 minutes. Exactly 12 minutes. No more, no less. I have studied this.
@kv: All will become clear in the next article.
View all comments by Bangkok Bad Boy
Okay, getting there…
@Billy: Sure, some situations can’t be compared. My logic’s probably flawed in many places, but I don’t think it can really be argued that the average short-time with a gogo girl is more expensive than anything but the high-end massage chicks. The rest is only so much dressing, I guess. On the BJ bar front, why not have an “advantage wank” before you make your way over there?
@Combover: Still a few beer bar havens if that’s your thing. Queen’s Park Plaza on Soi 22 is incredibly boring to me, but there’s plenty who are very fond of it. Washington Square is even worse, but still has its fans.
@MSB: You’re doing it wrong.
View all comments by Bangkok Bad Boy
@BBB: I do like beer bars, but I think you do need a certain critical mass for them to work. When there were a bunch of areas connected by a five minute stroll or less between them, you could make an evening of it.
Soi 22 is fine for a couple of beers early doors, and you might find something to your taste now & again, but it doesn’t realy warrant a special trip unless hiding from a girlfriend. And even those situations have a habit of going horribly wrong
So it prolly ain’t worth it.
View all comments by Combover
BBB: I think a slight clarification(s) to my original post is in order to clarify my two “pops” for ST, superhuman bravado. First, I pay somewhere between the ST and LT rates (to me I get a LT experience in a handbag… and get to sleep alone… which is my preference). Second, I was honing in on Phuket vs. Bangkok (I’ve found that 80% in Phuket are OK with it, and 50% at best in Bangkok are OK with it). Third, I take the girls to my room, not a ST hotel… maybe the ambiance is better :)… But, I don’t know for sure as I have never been to a ST hotel
View all comments by John Brown
Oh, and I might add that for gogo girls… they tend to focus on negotiating PRICE (that’s first on their list as you know), so I just turn the tables around and negotiate the terms and conditions. After all, we both are looking for “value” for money and time…. They want money… I want time, but not too much of it
Maybe I’m emotionally shallow…
View all comments by John Brown
.. and ye, the emotionally shallow shall inherit the earth….
(I’m counting on it)
View all comments by doctorbond
Re: 12 minutes max time at Lolita’s.
Is it another 700 Baht if the customer hasn’t reached the point of no return within this time frame ?
12 minutes@700Baht = 3,500 Baht p. hr.
View all comments by Manny
She’d have to be bloody good to shoot my bolt in 12 minutes. Although there was one phenomenal minx standing in her black suspenders outside an otherwise innocuous looking spot in Hong Kong who managed to blow my lid in seconds. I had spotted her from some way off and, as I hurried past on my way to a business lunch, she grabbed my tie and dragged me coughing and gagging to a booth. “Hey mister. You kinda cute. I wanna chew your root,” she said. I don’t remember replying. Perhaps she took it as given?
View all comments by swampthing
Well, part of the problem is supply and demand. I was a BKK regular from 1982-1991. An occasional (and older) visitor now. Last visit about a year ago.
In the early ’80s, there were more girls than guys and the only two places to go for farangs were Patpong and Cowboy. Cowboy was a shadow of what it is now and Nana and the other SukSoi joints (Thermae and the Dead Artists) did not exist. A lot of the smaller Patpong joints (Texxan near Silom and Grand Prix near Suriwongse to name two of my old favorites) were owned by farnags and if complaints about performance got back, then the girl was fired.
Most of the customers were oil guys and bankers with some military trade since BKK wasn’t really on the map for tourists like it is now. Most of the American guys went to the Philippines. Thailand was really more of a “husband/wife” thing. Shit, there wasn’t even a night market on Patpong back then.
Things started to change in the 1990s with more guys coming, especially from Europe and new places started to open thus requiring more girls. Also the men, from my standpoint, got stupid and started sending money to keep the girls out of the bar. That scam wasn’t USUALLY a scam in the 80s. Most girls on “the dole” did work at the bar but became waitresses or cashiers. Remember, the owners were on site and could keep on eye on things for you if you knew them.
So now, it’s more hit or miss since the girls know they have an unending supply of guys coming through; the tourist traffic is much, much larger. Most guys, I’m guessing, don’t visit the sites like WW, Mango and Stick to name a few so when they see the little Issan girl, off to the races. If she’s a starfish, so what? He can go to more places, too. Maybe he was too drunk to know better.
The point is, the girls are in it more for money now. Some of the stories I read on Stick and in the comments sections of some other blogs are just astounding. In “my day” most girls were in it for money AND sanuk. Some still are, of course, but it seems to be harder to find.
BTW, as TWFKABBB or “Mr. Math” as we call him here, did come up with something we all know….if it’s just glandular relief, soapies are the way to go. Hasn’t changed.
Sorry for rambling but hope a little historical perspective helps.
View all comments by The Asian Badger
@Manny: No, it’s not. It takes as long as it takes. Just always seems to take about 12 minutes - it’s become a joke. Timed a friend last time he went. 12 minutes exactly also. Spooky.
View all comments by Bangkok Bad Boy
@Badger: Thanks - I was still in diapers in the early 1980s, so the more information I can get on “the old days”, the less foolish I’ll look when I try to do a comparison!
View all comments by Bangkok Bad Boy
I wonder what the longest was? I can’t see them holding the door for the last customer much after closing time
View all comments by swampthing
I was 3 years in the making in 1981
Soapies rock the shit
View all comments by Young Penfold
3 years to blow your load?! That’s a lot longer than I was expecting.
View all comments by swampthing
@BBB…well the way you’re going, you’ll be in diapers ( I thought they were “nappies” to my friends from England…but I digress) soon enough. Ah….the benefits of youth.
There really isn’t but then again there is a comparison. The underlying theme is our drive vs. their equipment. I’m happier now watching the game than playing the game.
Been there, done that, as it were. OTOH, like it usually goes in life, the best always happened when I just wanted a beer and a view. I swore off sex after barfining a girl who was a service girl at the old Texxan. I’ll tell you more when I get to BKK, including the opening night of “Goldfinger” on Patpong. That was a night to remember….or so I’ve been told.
Cheers and best of luck. I’m lurking.
I’m also violating known fireworks laws celebrating our release from the tyranny of our “cousins”.
View all comments by The Asian Badger
@Badger: I wasn’t sure whether Americans were aware of “nappies” - bit of cultural sensitivity on my part.
Oh, and I’ll be celebrating July 4 myself - hoisting a watery tasteless beer in Hulk Hogan’s honour, and toasting the day we got rid of those crazy puritans…
View all comments by Bangkok Bad Boy
and if ya’ll think BKK is bad…wait till you get a load of Pattaya! THE WORST. terrible service, over the top prices, too much ink, too much hair dye, too much FAT and way too much attitude…bad attitude
View all comments by KevDank
Got to agree with you there, WW.
My recent experience of gogo girls suggest that service and value have declined. Economic factors and social trends play a part. Gogo girls don’t necessarily have much of an incentive to give you a good time. I just enjoy going to gogos to gawk and people watch, but I won’t necessarily take a girl. The behaviour of some of the punters and interaction with the girls is free theatre. Personally I can while away the best part of an evening in Baccara, notwithstanding that the penalty is often a nasty crick in the neck!
If I just want good service, I’ll use a reliable massage joint. Keeping some variety in the mix is essential.
I suppose we are trying to manage an eternal contrdiction. We want excellent reliable service at reasonable prices. This combination of service, reliabilty and value is never going to be attained in Thailand (not that it occurs much in the P4P sector in any nation), we can have some of these elements but not all.
For those in Thailand to whinge about cost really doesn’t get much sympathy from me. I am unfortunate enough to have to spend most of my time in London, where the cost of action is prohibitive if you desire quality. One hour with an escort girl is £150 (B9,500), to spend an evening with her will cost you perhaps B60,000. Of course with diligence you can research the market online to find a girl who will fulfil your precise requirements, but errors can still be made and are costly. If I have a less than perfect experience in Thailand I just shrug and write it off, and look forward to the next one. Here you either pay up, or sit at home and renew your subscription to hottiestakeituptheass.com. Or plan your next trip to LOS. You lot based over there ought to thank your lucky stars.
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Re: BJ bars and 12 minutes.
I don’t think I’ve ever managed 12 minutes. 15 minutes quickest. Usually 20-45.
(Yes, some of those girls try not to catch my eye when they see me walking up that lane…
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From what they say, most guys finish in less than 5 or 10 minutes.
Note to the guys who finish quickly: DON’T stay in the booth and start telling your life story to the girl while other guys are still there…
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