I recently re-read an old post about The Fresh Produce Market1.
Night Crawlers, Bottom Feeders, Break In Jobs, and the Fresh Produce Market
The first part of the post still looks pretty good but the second part, the discussion about where to find fresh produce, could stand improvement.
The purpose of this post is to address that shortcoming by discussing a couple of places to go Fresh Produce Shopping and how to actually meet and approach Fresh Produce. Hopefully, this will improve my original post and make it more useful.
One great place to go Fresh Produce Shopping is Ramkahaeng University.
Ramkahaeng is a large public university located in Bangkok. It is an open university so unlike the better universities like Chulangakorn and Thamasat, prospective students do not have to apply and be accepted to attend classes.
Any Thai person can attend Ramkahaeng and if you complete the required course of study you are awarded a degree. Tuition is very reasonable even by Thai standards so normal everyday Thai’s can attend Ramkahaeng and pay for it out of their current income.
The low tuition and open admittance policy at Ramkahaeng populates the campus with young, bright eyed, Thai girls from middle and lower middle class families many of whom would be delighted to hook up with a nice farang but are too conservative, too scared, or just don’t know the where and how about the bars and nightlife on Sukhumvit.
Ramkahaeng is affectionately referred to as a girlhill—-sort of like an anthill but instead of a horde of ravenous ants the place is covered and crawling with hordes of cute Thai girls—the perfect place to go Fresh Produce Shopping.
I suppose you could just walk around Ramkahaeng sticking your head into classrooms, prowling the picnic tables where students with different majors congregate, or lurk around the bustop but if all I told you was to go to Ramkahaeng and wander around approaching random girls this wouldn’t be much of an addendum.
The best way I’ve found to meet Ramkahaeng girls is to go the library2.
Everyone has their own way of meeting girls but if you are a little unsure about Thai culture and customs here is a potential approach that avoids some of the obvious newbie landmines.
You can start on any floor you like but the basic game plan is to pretend you are looking for a book in the stacks while you surreptitiously reconnoiter the girls at the tables and figure out which ones you are interested in.
Once you have found a likely target, mosey over, sit down where the TG will naturally look at you when she looks up. Pretend to read a book you’ve taken from the shelves or whip out your laptop and pretend to be working. When the TG looks up, make eye contact and smile at her.
In Thailand, the vast majority of the time the TG will smile back. In Thailand, if she flashes you a big warm smile that is the go signal. If her eyes slide off, she avoids direct eye contact, or she evidences defensive body language this is the stop signal.
If you get the go signal you can go over and have a short chat with the girl. I suggest you be polite, smile a lot, lay a nice compliment on her and ask for her phone number. Thai girls are pretty liberal handing out their phone numbers.
One problem with the Ramkahaeng library is that everyone can see what everyone else is doing so it is not ideal for having an extended conversation with the TG’s studying there and it is way too fast and aggressive to ask a normal Thai girl to go for a coffee or snack right then.
What I suggest is a couple of hours after you’ve gotten a girls number shoot her an SMS. Something simple, non-aggressive, and non-threatening like “It was nice to meet you.” If she is interested she will SMS back. That is the go signal to call her.
One advantage of this approach is that it saves face for everyone if there is no connection. The girl doesn’t have to be rude or impolite if she in not interested. She just ignores your SMS and no one has to get their feelings hurt or be mean.
When you call her and try to arrange a date. I suggest you ask her to meet you for lunch, dinner, or coffee after school and let her know that it is all right to bring one or two friends. Many TG’s are afraid or too shy to meet a strange farang alone but if they can bring a friend for support and protection everything is copasetic.
Don’t expect too much from the first meeting. You are just going to talk, give out some biographical information, let the TG and her friend(s) get a look at you, and see if there is common interest and attraction.
There is nothing girls like more than sitting around talking about guys they met and bringing along a friend or a couple of friends and being able to gossip about it afterwards is an almost irresistible temptation for most TG’s.
I joke with TG friends that for every minute they actually spend with a guy they spend 5 minutes talking about it with their gal pals. IMHO the ratio is not far from reality.
If you pass the first date exam, you can call her and try to get her to go out again and possibly alone.
The rest I’ll leave to you.
I’ll close this addendum with a couple of points about checking out a book from the Ramkahaeng Library.
First, the typical farang uniform of shorts, sandals, and t-shirt is not going to cut it. Most of the girls at Ramkahaeng dress conservatively and you should too. Business casual, dress pants and a shirt with a collar, are de rigueur.
Second, you cannot be too far out on the wrong tail of the personal appearance distribution. If you are over 300 lbs. or look over 50 years old, Fresh Produce shopping at Ramkahaeng is not for you.
I’ll discuss a couple of other Fresh Produce Markets in a future post.
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- Fresh Produce are TG’s who have had no or very little experience dating farangs but who are interested in doing so.
- The coordinates of the Ramkaehang Library are N 13 45.393 E 100 37.069. You can cut and paste the coordinates into maps.google.com to get directions.
What about Poker? Joking ya. Nice to see you putting the co-ordinates in every post BBK good effort.
View all comments by Young Royal
“I suppose you could just walk around Ramkahaeng sticking your head into classrooms, prowling the picnic tables where students with different majors congregate, or lurk around the bustop but if all I told you was to go to Ramkahaeng and wander around approaching random girls this wouldn’t be much of an addendum.
The best way I’ve found to meet Ramkahaeng girls is to go the library2.”
I think it’ll be pretty clear to the girls wherever you do it that you’re a sex pest. The very incongruity of a middle aged farang hanging about the campus makes it a no brainer.
Whether they choose to care or not is another matter.
View all comments by Combover
It takes alot to creep me out but you’ve definitely did it. A university library is not the place to be picking up uni girls. Sorry BBK but this is seriously lame.
View all comments by pmmp
You guys are bad. This post is not so bad. Sounds like a romantic comedy
And funny to picture out lots of farangs wandering around the same library pretending to look for a book. Are the books in english, by the way?
View all comments by Suk Psycho
Firstly, the positives: it’s encouraging to see a piece of appropriate length, without the gratuitous poker references or the air of superiority, which doesn’t read like an encyclopedia entry. In terms of writing style, BBK has pulled it off.
And then the inevitable negative; sorry BBK but this is seriously creepy stuff.
Next up: How to meet girls by prowling outside bedroom windows…
View all comments by TAFKABBB
Does this “method” work in the Thai high schools as well?
View all comments by John Brown
BBK,
Are you downloading the GPS tracks to your laptop?
Maybe you can post a weeks adventures complete with daily tracks to give us an idea of the ground you’re covering.
Next month, Me and my GPS will be in Bkk and we can compare notes/tracks.
View all comments by Pablo
It’s Ramkhamhaeng silly.
Did u have a look around the laundryroom at all? That might work.
And was that you leaning on the wall by the Kaisakorn ARM at the student center?
View all comments by jack dawson
thanks for the laugh. oh wait, was this post serious??
any guy who seriously considers this creepy shit could probably do himself and society a favour by staying home and wanking off.
View all comments by anonzo
It says in the post, if you are old or you are heinous looking then going to the Ramkahaeng library is not for you.
The post is for younger or at least younger looking guys.
It also says in the post that if you are personally challenged in the dress and personal appearance areas the Ramkahaeng library is not for you.
There are a portion of farangs in Thailand who charitably speaking can be described as slobs-the ones wearing the same raggedy threadbare cargo shorts everyday, who wear the same dirty sludge covered flip flops and sandals everyday, and switch off between their collection of cheap holey worn out tank tops with stupid shit printed on them.
Ramkahaeng Library is not for these slobs.
It doesn’t say in the post, but Ramkahaeng students are not that young. Many of them do not start college fresh out of high school. Many have worked for a few years before having enough financial stability to be able to attend university-no matter how cheap tuition is. Most do not graduate in four years but attend part time and spread their coursework out over 5 or 10 years.
The age distribution among Ramkahaeng students is probably a little older than the girls in the average GoGo bar with a median age around 24.
We are not talking about child molestation here but consensual activity between adults—by anyone’s standards.
So I think the “creepy” comments are out of line.
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Second, there are a class of farangs in Thailand who:
1)Live in Thailand.
2)Never bother to learn to speak Thai beyond a few phrases useful only in GoGos.
3)Who never venture beyond the farang dominated areas when they go out for entertainment.
This class of farangs, even though they spend a lot of time in Thailand, never have any real human contact with Thai girls besides the ones who work in GoGo’s and Bierbars and hang around Nana parking lot.
Many have never even been with some of the longballer FL’s like the ones who hang around Gullivers.
These are the guys who spew the hateful “All Thai girls are prostitutes”, “Any relationship with a Thai girl is destined for financial and emotional disaster,” etc. etc. etc.
It is not hard to see why this class of farangs has such a low opinion of Thai girls when you think about the severely proscribed population of Thai girls they have contact with.
I would like to think this class of farangs gets tired after awhile taking home GoGo girls—no matter how hot they look and lust for some “higher class” female companionship.
The big secret, which this class of farangs have not discovered, is that normal Thai girls, especially when compared to girls in most Western countries, are fucking awesome.
A good proportion of them are georgeous, sexy, fun loving, stylish, intelligent, adventurous, sweet, generous, open minded about sex and are incredible to fuck.
Plus they have a serious hard on for foreign men and don’t want money everyday.
Personally, I wish someone would tell me how or at least give me some ideas about how or where to more quickly and efficiently to meet and get to know more of these girls.
BigBabyKenny
P.S. to TAFKABBB aka Bangkok Bad Boy. I know you are taking care of Werewolf’s blog for the next six weeks. I am looking forward to reading some well written blogs full of fresh useful insightful information about the Thailand Girl Scene. Personally, I am tired of reading for the millionth time about some dude getting a blowjob at Lolita’s, having a threesome at Eden Club, or getting a soapy on Petchaburi.
View all comments by BigBabyKenny
A 50 yr old slobby dresser looks at the post, sighs, hurrumphs and slides back into the swamp
View all comments by doctorbond
1) I’ve spent some time in Thailand
2) Can’t speak Thai - too thick
3) Never venture far from soi 4 / cowboy
That pretty much sums me up. However, the sentence
“These are the guys who spew the hateful “All Thai girls are prostitutes”, “Any relationship with a Thai girl is destined for financial and emotional disaster,” etc. etc. etc.”
Does not quite ring true. I Looooove all the Thai girls. Not to the point where I want to snog a Lolitas girl, but you can’t assume all Farangs are the same.
I personally get sick of ‘high-class’ girls (Thai or otherwise) who are up their own arse. Give me a Nana Carpark Nightcrawler anytime.
View all comments by Day Walker
The second part of BBK’s defence above is all very well and fine, and I won’t disagree with the gist of it, but it’s completely irrelevant.
Hanging around a University library trying to pick up girls half your age IS creepy, or at the very least odd, and I’m sure the girls and guys are all having a good chuckle about it.
View all comments by Combover
@BBK: Sorry, but I still think it’s creepy. Nothing to do with the “median age”. No sense in arguing over subjective opinion, and I’m looking forward to hearing how this approach actually works for you - you don’t actually give your success rate in the article.
Would you mind telling us all how old/pretty/slim/well-dressed you are, while you’re casting aspersions on the age, beauty, build and fashion sense of your audience? I’ve almost given up asking you how long you’ve lived here, but I’ll throw that one in again one last time!
Regarding your “PS”, I’ll run Werewolf’s site for the next six weeks in exactly the same way in which I used to run my own. I’m not going to ignore the most popular areas, because - uh - those are the most popular areas. I’ll also cover places “off the map” (eg. Saphan Kwai, December 2006), as I always did.
View all comments by TAFKABBB
Did that sound a bit twatty? Sorry, no desire to start (continue?) a feud. My opinion, as always, is worth no more than you pay for it
View all comments by TAFKABBB
I dunno, perhaps I just find it creepy because it’s all so humourless and po faced. I can quite easily imagine roaring with laughter and approval at such a strategy if related by a rascal with a sparkle in his eye and a penchant for storytelling.
View all comments by Combover
If 24-year-olds are half your age (or if you sport a combover), then please don’t even imagine yourself following BKK’s advice. That would indeed be creepy.
View all comments by Unplugged Abroad
Im gonna go on record and say im 23years old and even i wouldnt try and pick up girls my own age in a library.
Im not even 1 for making nice on the MRT/BTS either due to people hearing my bad thai and lowsy chat up lines
View all comments by Young Penfold
P.s. they usually think im gay aswell. They do have a point
View all comments by Young Penfold
BBK: No disrespect but I know you which is probably why I think it’s so creepy. Reading your reply I only hope that you are not serious and just trying to evoke a reaction. Some guys get off on that…whatever. If you are serious, well, then I’ll add pity to my previous creepy feeling. Chill out dude. Your reply rang a tad bit insane, too long, and mostly just an irrelevant rant. You can meet Thai women all over Bangkok. Why the heck do you have to meet them in a uni library?
I have enjoyed most all of your posts but I’m ashamed to see this one posted. Had I seen it before the posting I would have argued that we not post it. Not trying to start a fight here, just telling you how I feel.
View all comments by pmmp
So have all of you gogo-dogs desensitized thinking that picking up bargirls half your age is not creepy??? GMAB, and stop being so PC then.
Sure you’ll look out of place in said library, although … if I groom well and put on my glasses, I look just like some professor … will that work?
View all comments by dr. Teenkaas
ahhh - the old visiting (slobbily dressed) farang professor ploy… good thinking…..
Frankly though… what’s the point? There are thousands of cracking 20 pluses to have a crack at and who are happy to swim into your line of sight - lets leave the teens to their innocence
View all comments by doctorbond
Those last few words sounded a bit pompous - sorry - but you know what I mean
View all comments by doctorbond
Nice! Good to learn how you score girls at Ramkahaeng Uni.
But how do you guys manage to get girls in your own country?
Or are the girls in your own country in-approachable?
View all comments by Ato
For those in the “it’s creepy camp”, look at this list, check the ones you have personally done or have no problem with, and rank them from most to least creepy.
1)Barfining an 18 year old TG legally working in a bierbar.
2)Barfining a 20 year old TG legally working in a GoGo.
3)Short timing a Cambodian girl of indeterminate age with no passport or papers from the Nana parking lot.
4)Dating a dude who has had his penis cut off and a faux vagina fashioned out of the remains so he can pretend he is a girl.
5)Doing 1-4 when you are married.
6)Paying 50 cents for a ping pong ball which you throw onto a stage of naked girls so you can enjoy watching them scream and scramble for the ping pong ball because they really need 50 cents.
7)Asking a 20-24 year old educated (or at least one aspiring to an education) girl and her friend for a cup of coffee and/or lunch.
For those in the “it’s creepy camp”, if number 7 doesn’t come in as least creepy (assuming it is one you checked), I think hypocrisy is the correct adjective to describe the situation.
BigBabyKenny
View all comments by BigBabyKenny
Just a tad creepy unarguably, but faultlessly imaginative.
I’d also like to know the success ratio and whether this is a proven scoring venue or just a provocative theory?
View all comments by Spyker
Spyker: “I’d also like to know [...] whether this is a proven scoring venue or just a provocative theory?”
My money is on the latter.
Always felt that BigBabyKenny’s posts are just too much blah blah.
I wonder how many (if any) of this blog’s readers will be lining up outside Ramkamhaeng in the next few days or weeks.
View all comments by rick
BBK - it’s WHERE you play the game that matters.
BG’s et al are streetwise - old and wise for their years maybe and quite possibly wishing they were at university, nevertheless they know why you are there.
Non ‘pros’ can be met in bars and clubs etc and they are at least ‘ramped up’ to have a good time.
The one thing these BG’s and non-BG’s have in common is that in one way or another they are putting themselves out there whereas approaching a student who was expecting to do a bit of research in the library seems a bit to predatory for my taste - after all, your intention isn’t marrage is it?
I think any one us might use the term ‘fresh meat’ as a throwaway remark from time to time, but if you hear it too many times it becomes a bit unsavoury and, yep, creepy.
View all comments by doctorbond
Wow, you guys are tough! It will be fun to meet some of you at the Big Mango when I finally get back to Bangkok, but whoa! BigBabyKenny has to have a tough hide to take some of the comments…
View all comments by HopeToReturnSoon
BBK: Once again, you rant and rant and with one sentence your argument is trounced. Dr007 is spot on. Now I suspect you will write another long winded irrelevant argument calling everyone who disagrees with you a hypocrite. TAFKABBB has also been spot on all along about your pages and pages of post or replies that can be summed up in a few sentences. More words doesn’t strength your argument.
I think I have a solution to all of this. You can attend Ramkahaeng U and take a writing course. As a student you can hang out in the Library, do homework, and pick up girls. I would be way less creeped out if that were the case.
View all comments by pmmp
ouch! surely bbk youre taking the piss? full marks for the factual content though. i went to a friend’s graduation there who graduated when she was about 30. i think that uni’s big on language study (my friend studied spanish) and from what i gather a large portion of the students are as you say part time and older than the average uni student. a bit of trivia… i think that’s also where andrew bigg did his thai language study - that guys’ language skill is awesome
View all comments by Mr Carpet
I agree with PMMP - at least take a class at the Uni so you appear to be an actual student. Doesn’t matter what one - if you have a book from a class, you don’t come across as an old man (if you are) searching for easy young ladies. I know Thai women enjoy meeting Farang men but I think this would startle them. They are completely unprepared. At least when they are at work selling crap at the malls or whatever they do, they expect to be approached. Yeah - I don’t see this working. Unless you’re like under 30. Even then, plenty of women to meet in other places.
BTW - good luck with the soft opening tomorrow fellas - and hope the grand opening is a blast.
View all comments by Calvin
For those of you who want a couple of stories ….
One time when I went to Ramkahaeng library with a friend, he got three phone numbers. He eventually met two of the girls for dinner.
One of them worked in a “salon” and it eventually turned out she worked as a service girl in one of the GoGo’s on Soi Cowboy.
The other one worked on Sukhumvit, but she wouldn’t tell us where. We never hung out enough with her to get to the truth, but you can draw your own conclusion.
Gai, who used to work at The Big Mango was also a student attending class at American University on Rachadamri Road.
BigBabykKenny
View all comments by BigBabyKenny
So can we assume that your success rate is zero, and your friend’s success rate is limited to the receipt of 3 phone numbers, and providing 2 dinners? I note that you’re still ignoring my other questions.
I think pmmp hit the nail on the head - the “creepy” feeling is just down to the veil of dishonesty - you don’t belong there.
If you were a student on a course at R. Uni, checking out a book that you actually needed to read, and happened to bump into a cutie who’s interested in you, then that’s totally acceptable - again, just my opinion.
But hanging around the library, pretending you’ve a reason to be there, just so that you can meet “fresh meat” just doesn’t sit right with me.
It’s worse than faking illness at Bumrungrad so that you can meet sexy nurses. It just strikes me as creepy, and more than a little desperate.
Clearly we’re not going to agree on this one, but that’s the best I can do with regards to explaining my position, so that you know I’m not just picking on you
View all comments by TAFKABBB
I think most of Kenny’s other examples are more sordid than creepy. I have no problem with sordid, as long as it’s legal. You can be sordid but not creepy, and creepy but not sordid.
View all comments by Combover
Very complicated and time consuming way of going about banging a uni student and yeah put me firmly in the - that’s a bit f*cking creepy column. Especially the bit where “One time when I went to Ramkahaeng library with a friend, he got three phone numbers.”
Now we’ve got TWO creepy ferang stalking the cuties on campus.
View all comments by psi100th
I agree with BBKs response about which number from the list is most acceptable, but points 1-6 are a straightforward transaction. Both parties know exactly where they stand. The girls are on the game looking for cash, and the guys are looking to part the porpoise. No illusions. Black n white stuff.
The way you go about number 7 by creeping through a university your not even enrolled at, pretending to read books on the hope of scoring numbers is uber (such a gay word) creepy.
Its been touched on that if you are enrolled and have a reason of being there, then fill your boots.
I can just picture a middle aged guys beady eyes appearing over the top of a book (probably upside down) scanning the girls on offer. I have a feeling they’d be able to spot ur intentions a mile off.
When Ive bought something electrical from MBK i always find the stall with the hottest girl(s) working there to make my purchase. Ive toyed with the idea as to wether this counts as creepy, but im going first and foremost as a customer, not trying to score some ass.
View all comments by Young Penfold
AFAIK, Ramkamhaeng University is in Thailand very highly regarded for its Law Faculty.
My Thai friends say: getting in is easy, but graduating is another matter.
Young Thai girls are getting more and more clued up. If you cannot pull in the West (because of looks, age, etc.), it is also becoming more and more difficult to pull in Thailand. Especially uni students, I’d say.
But maybe that’s just the experience of yours truly. Hopefully I’m wrong…
View all comments by rick
Nobody ever seems to actually read the post before commenting.
Scanning for poker references and counting the number of words looking for an excuse for a verbal temper tantrum seems to be about as far as some of the commenter’s seem to get.
First, nobody read the part where I wrote if you are old and not reasonably presentable the Ramkahaeng library is not for you.
Second, nobody seems to have read the part where I suggest a way to approach girls in The Ramkahaeng Library.
I did not suggest rudely bumbling around plopping yourself down unwelcomed next to underage girls and within the first 10 sentences asking them if they want to short time for 1000THB they way you do at the Biergarten.
If anyone actually takes the time to read the post you would see that I suggested something completely different.
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Somebody asked for stories so I’ll tell two more.
The first is about two girls I have known for about two years. Both are part time FL’s. Actually, I am not sure exactly how part time they are.
I know that at the FL venues where I normally see them and occasionally hook up with them, they are there infrequently. Maybe they do the FL circuit or hang out every night somewhere I don’t go but I only see them occasionally. When I call or SMS them they are sitting at home or at least free to meet about 80% of the time.
I have been to both of their rooms and they are extremely modest– one room in an outlying area with no aircon and no private bathroom. One has a refrigerator and the other does not. I estimate their monthly nut (rent, food, etc.) is about 5,000-8,000 THB.
I don’t see much evidence of any surplus cash so you can do the math about how many times they must be getting 1500-2500THB ST or LT fees every month.
Both of these girls are very pretty, very nice, and not that old so if they went out every night they would probably hook up 1 or 2 nights out of three.
Amazingly, both of these girls are spending their own money going to school to learn Japanese. A 5 week Japanese course costs about 5000THB in Bangkok so this is serious money for them. Both are serious about their studies and spend a couple of hours after each class studying the textbook and have made flashcards to help memorize vocabulary.
Why they want to learn Japanese is pretty obvious.
The second story is about two other FL TG’s I have known over an extended period.
Both fall into the same part time category and I estimate they live similar lifestyles and have similar incomes to the girls in the first story.
Both are just as young and pretty as the girls in the first story.
When I ran into them and asked them about what was new, both told me eerily similar stories.
Both were very excited that they had met a farang outside of the farang bars and GoGo’s. One had been approached at a Starbucks in Thonglo and the other had been approached at the Swenson’s in World.
One of the girls was proud to show me the guy’s business card to prove he was respectable guy.
The other showed me a picture on her phone of the guy wearing a dress shirt and dress slacks to prove he was a respectable guy with a job.
What had them excited was that a farang had expressed interest in them outside of a FL bar or disco.
In other words, they were excited just because a normal guy was interested in them for something besides getting to jizz on their face sometime in the next 2 hours.
So what is the point of these stories?
My point is that there is a whole wide universe of Thai girls out there that I want to meet—not just to bang but because they are nice people who I would enjoy immensely getting to know, be friends with, maybe have a serious or not so serious relationship with, but, at a minimum we can have a jolly good time running between all the bars, discos, movie theaters, coffee shops, internet game cafes, bowling alleys, karaoke rooms, Japanese and Korean restaurants, chocolate shops, go kart tracks, etc. etc. etc. usually on my dime.
I do not spend a lot of time in Thailand to JUST hang around with other Westerners (although I have quite a few farang friends who are a different kind of jolly good time to hang around with).
I also do not get that much enjoyment from sightseeing—eyeballing the reclining Buddha, walking around the old capital at Ayuthya, etc. etc. etc. just does not entertain me for that long.
What I like about Thailand is that it is the only country I know where you can actually have access to and get to know a good segment of the female population. Maybe there are hordes of nice fun girls in Saudia Arabia but if you tried to meet them you would find yourself buried up to your head and being stoned to death.
In Thailand it is easier, simpler, and cheaper than anywhere I know to meet normal everyday girls.
And as a bonus the female population is better looking than the girls anywhere else in the world, on average, far nicer in all dimensions of the word than the girls I know back in The World.
And they really like foreigners of which I am one.
But practically speaking, one must move outside the farang bar and disco scene to experience all this.
That is what the post is all about (Part 2b–A Guide to the Various Starbucks is almost finished).
So I have banged out a response that is just about as long as the original post, slipped in one oblique poker reference, and probably just reiterated what I previously wrote. If you want to go bonkers now go for it.
I plan to stop by The Big Mango opening tonight.
Free beers for everyone and anyone who comes up to me and says, “I am creepy and proud of it!”
BigBabyKenny
View all comments by BigBabyKenny
@BBK: Since you singled me out in a previous comment, I’m fairly certain that you’re reading my replies. I can only assume that you’re deliberately avoiding answering my questions, because you don’t like the answers.
You routinely ignore any criticism that you can’t (or don’t want to) answer, and then spit feathers defending a few trivial points that you think you can defend in order to “prove” your superiority, or else completely change the subject, as above. I have never - not once - ever seen you admit that you might possibly be wrong about something.
This is not new behaviour, and it’s why you are the only author ever published on this website who routinely writes more words defending his posts than he does in the submissions themselves.
Perhaps, like pmmp says, you’re just doing it for the attention. I’m not sure whether that’s better or worse than the thought that you might be serious.
Anyway, I give up. It’s like talking to a brick wall.
View all comments by TAFKABBB
TAFKABBB aka Bangkok Bad Boy,
No disrespect intended but I went through your comments and searched for the questions.
Here they are.
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“No sense in arguing over subjective opinion, and I’m looking forward to hearing how this approach actually works for you - you don’t actually give your success rate in the article.
Would you mind telling us all how old/pretty/slim/well-dressed you are, while you’re casting aspersions on the age, beauty, build and fashion sense of your audience? I’ve almost given up asking you how long you’ve lived here, but I’ll throw that one in again one last time!”
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“So can we assume that your success rate is zero, and your friend’s success rate is limited to the receipt of 3 phone numbers, and providing 2 dinners?”
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First, I do not like giving out a lot of personal information on an open forum. There are a lot of crazies in the world.
Can you empathize with this?
If we were to meet in person, something I am actually looking forward to—believe it or not, I wouldn’t mind giving out personal details including how long I have been coming to Thailand, how long I stay here, etc. etc. etc.
I believe you are a decent person and wouldn’t broadcast personal details on the internet but not everyone out there is decent and nice.
I always love talking to intelligent independent thinking people. These are the people you learn things from and who stimulate your own ideas and thoughts. I am pretty sure you fall into this category.
Second, the internet is littered with guys relating “true stories” which, in fact, are 90% fiction or at least heavily edited to cast themselves in a favorable light.
I prefer to keep many details of many of my personal experiences private.
Is that so hard to understand?
If I told you that I was young handsome rich and debonair, that I went to Ramkahaeng library and got 50 phone numbers, and managed to bang 40 girls in the next week, would you believe it?
If I told a slightly more credible story but cast myself in a heroic role would you believe that?
Besides everyone is different. If you went to the Ramkahaeng library your “success rate” might be very different than mine and I am pretty sure we look nothing alike.
Third, I don’t know how to respond to a lot of your criticism.
For example:
1)I hate the poker references. Well I like the poker references. If we took a poll I am not sure whether deleting the poker references would come out a winner or a loser but since I am writing I put in a few pithy poker references when I think it’s appropriate. When you write something you can write what you want to write the way you want to write it. That is what I do. You do the same thing when you blog.
2)The posts are too long. Personally, I like a longer piece that gets into things in more detail, expresses ideas more complexly, and includes a couple of detours into interesting subjects.
Usually, I have something I want to say and however many words it takes to say it is how many words it takes me to say it. Sometimes the ideas are complicated and convoluted and can’t be distilled easily in a few simple declarative sentences. I suppose I could edit things more and reduce word count but this is only a blog. I have other things to do besides spend hours editing.
3)You disagree with you. I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing with me. In fact, I always look forward to someone disagreeing with me. That is how I learn new things, get exposed to new ideas, and stimulate my own thought processes. I try to give an honest response to most of the comments—both the negative and the positive ones. That is all I can do.
4)Personal attacks. I usually just ignore them. What else can you do?
OK. So again I pounded out another long response. At least there were no poker references.
Respectfully,
BigBabyKenny
View all comments by BigBabyKenny
Brick wall here… how’s it going TAFKABBB ? So how’s the New Mango Bar looking? Can we see ourselves being approached by mad drunk Aussie women in there?
View all comments by doctorbond
BBK… I agree with you…
Telling people how old you are and how long you’ve been coming to Thailand would no doubt result in someone cloning your i.d and maxing out your credit cards.
View all comments by Day Walker
Whilst generally agreeing with most of the above well founded, constructive and largely ignored criticism, the one thing that grates on me most, though only when considering one so convinced of the superiority of his own ideas, is the cavalier use of the possesive apostrophe.
You’re shooting yourself in the foot Kenny. Brush up on some basic grammar and punctuation before daring to embark on lengthy treatises to people who know much more than yourself.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=499296
View all comments by Combover
So Bkk what was your friends reason for being there? I know she would have asked. Have you picked up a chick before ever man?
View all comments by yesman
Nobody likes to listen to a deaf preacher.
View all comments by Young Royal
I’m really enjoying these responses. Everyone is so fucking competitive. What’s so creepy in his post? Oh, perhaps meeting girls without alcohol playing a role? keep it up guys. Always a laugh.
View all comments by The Middle Stooge
Can we all just get along?
It’s all about getting in where you fit in and respecting others for trying to do the same as long as they aren’t hurting others or breaking laws.
Most of us probably wouldn’t go to a uni library and there are many reasons we may not want to besides just age and appearance, but it was interesting to read the post.
I didn’t view the whole piece as creepy just because if I were living out there in my 20’s and had tired of the bar scene and wanted to meet some uni girls direct who aren’t moonlighting as PTFL’s, I could imagine going to a uni to offer some sort of free tutoring or something to meet new people making friends and practicing Thai, having new experiences etc…
If some closer relationship developed to be a GTG thing then all good (as that was the original motivation), but my intentions were different going in, not just to try to run through as many as I can, because if I just want to stack up laid counts I already know where and how to do that with minimal effort.
Trying to be creative to hook up with a legity for a long-term thing is not necessarily creepy, it depends on methods, intentions and capabilities (getting in where one fits in). (The library thing about faking the book stuff, I wouldn’t do because it’s not me and could be bad depending on intentions (it didn’t sound like BBK’s intentions were negative, he doesn’t seem like the f’um and leave um type), but I also saw the comedy in it, like out of Harold and Kumar go to R.U.). Nevertheless, the post can stimulate ideas on creative ways to think outside the box (BigM2’s concepts are outside the box too right?).
Just a thought - would any of our parents or sisters from the World think it is creepy to run a bar to host P4P activities?
Final thought, if you don’t enjoy reading BBK’s posts because they are too long, not succinct enough and he makes poker references, when you see he has made a submission, just don’t read it, that simple!
View all comments by bkkris
kris - thanks. and amen. appreciate the sanity.
View all comments by smitty
Maybe as pmmp said, knowing BBK makes it seem creepier but the concept alone is not really that creepy.
What nobody seems to have picked up on is that picking up women in the library is not a new trick.
In Coming to America the barber bumps into Murphy and Hall on their way back from a bar and tells them that to find a nice girl they need to go to ‘church or a library’. That movie was released in 1988.
Pick Up Artists all over the world, and lonely foreign students in the UK will also head for libraries looking for women. Loads of guys from all walks of life go to student union bars looking for women and cheaper lager - if they divert to the library and think they can carry it off, so what?
Aside from that, I personally enjoy BBK’s pseudo-academic tone and trademark poker references. TAFKABB’s blog had a more laddish articulacy and that’s also good, both styles have their own humour.
In addition - nobody called BBK ‘creepy’ when he talked about picking up drug addicts, trawling for street walkers in the park, getting girls to play Wii with stripping forfeits, or passed on information on Suthisan joints with young looking girls and cockroach infestations.
He gives some basic, fairly standard advice on scoring numbers and non-p4p lunch dates and everyone leaps on him like he’s Ted Bundy. Just seems odd to me.
View all comments by Milo
Sorry to double post, but just loving this quote.
“I can just picture a middle aged guys beady eyes appearing over the top of a book (probably upside down) scanning the girls on offer. I have a feeling they’d be able to spot ur intentions a mile off.”
Bootiful!
View all comments by Milo
Bootiful indeed
Im seriously looking for a job in BKK. Any1 wanna employ me they can.
Writing profanity filled articles, spying on potential whoring girlfriends (then brown dicking them to prove there whorish ways), delivering ice and booze to bars, picking used condoms and pubic hairs from your bathroom plug, rubbing your back and telling you “everything will be ok”. Im not above any of it
Seriously get in touch. PLEASE get in touch
View all comments by Young Penfold
Penfold….
If you are looking for work, does that mean your little side-kick/assistant is too? I could think of a ‘job’ she could do for me.
View all comments by Day Walker
Its just you would need a real reason for being at the school. Lieing to her is going to come back at you at some point when she ask follow up questions on 2nd and 3rd dates. Taking some part time classes or something would give you a reason for being there. At least at a mall you can say you where shopping. Its not even the creep factor its just a shitty way to go about meeting new women.Just going up to strange women and talking to them has a poor score to public humiliation ratio, at least in my experience.
View all comments by yesman
Every1 has there price (mine is REALLY low)
Make me an offer
View all comments by Young Penfold
Can you make monkey noises and swing?
Scratch that… I hear you do swing.
I know there is a cleaning position available.. level 4 of the Mango…. however, you’ll need to fight ‘Oh’ for it.
View all comments by Day Walker
Is ‘Oh’ the one who is good with a pool cue?
View all comments by AUK
YP, how about unmasking men shopping for fresh produce where they shouldn’t be?
It could be like Stickman’s investigation service t’other way round.
Everytime you see an enervated falang queuing at a beauty salon, feigning interest in romcoms at DVD stalls, or reading Aesop’s Fables, upside down, in Thai, in a university library, scream ‘he’s a filthy fraud, I tell you!’
You might not get paid, but you could win an in with the fair ladies you protect from Singha-vested, Sangsom-breathing predators.
For an earner on the side, I know some of the top Thai schools have sent minor staff members to check nightlife areas for falang teachers.
A spy who was part of the scene himself would be even more effective
View all comments by Milo
AUK.. yes… the same ‘Oh’ that your heart burns a candle for…
Bless her.
Don’t know about a pool cue, but she doesn’t fuck about with a feather duster and a mop.
View all comments by Day Walker
@DW - Sorry for late rep;y, been doing a bit of gardening. Told my missus a long time ago that Oh was good with a Feather Duster & mop. Didn’t seem to go anywhere though!
View all comments by AUK
Daywalker - my sidekick only goes with lookers over 5,6″
Unlucky on both counts. Better luck next time
View all comments by Young Penfold
YP: - Maybe I could take a leaf out of your book and wear high-heels and put a bag over my head?
Worked for you?!
View all comments by Day Walker
Ok, lot’s of praise so far. I agree with it. But I am not in a fan-cub or whatever. No, I am a customer who wants something for his money. The BM is about making money. And it’s good that way.
Now the criticism from the customer’s side: Goon and Inn are overweight. I am too, but I don’t like overweight and ugly girls. Please replace them by some slim and hot ones. Inn once offered me a BJ after just one sip of my first beer. Am I at Afterskool or the BM?
Do I need a bunch of folks staring at their Laptops at 9.p.m? No.
So what do you do better than the Hilary 2? Better Live Band?
Many of the old BM girls will be back. What’s the difference? Inn, Goon and the other will be just as “selective” as before. If they are “service”, what’s the change?
I have not been to the new BM now, but feel free to ask some questions.
View all comments by Phoenix
p - I am sure u meant this for the other thread but since it is here I will take it here.
We don’t have girls - we have service girls. Hard to teach good service to Thais. Inn and Goong know what we mean by good service and they will offer it here. That is all the matters. Not their weight. The focus is not on our girls. We already stated we would be a freelancer bar. So when we opened, bringing back old staff made sense since they know the game and what we expect. Is it really that big a deal?
I never quite the laptop aversion thing so not really much I can say. Sorry if I had my laptop open. We put the additional computers upstairs so that the bar area is not where the computers are. Again - this is a really big deal?
Hilary. I don’t now. Maybe you love Hilary. Cool. Not really trying to compete. We existed before when Hilary was around and not sure it will change. For my take. Better food when we have it, better service and not so loud so one can actually talk. That would be my take but I don’t really see myself competing with them directly.
The girls are back for service. I think we explained that. This is not a bar fining bar.
ask away…
back to fresh produce.
View all comments by smitty
“girl offers me a bj after one sip of beer”… Tough life guys.
YP - I think there is a market for the work your looking for. Kind of like Mr.Wolf on Pulp Fiction. How about Girl extradition service.
I’ll give you 500 baht if you can get a girl out my apartment with out the security guards realizing there’s a problem.
View all comments by Young Royal
YR, yes
Smitty, thanks for the good reply. That’s one reason why I like this website so much.
Will check the new BM out and put my points to a real-live test. I am curious about your freelancers, hope you will be successful with this busniess model.
View all comments by Phoenix
Phoenix: I quote……
Phoenix
Oct 25th, 2007 at 2:56 am
Hm, actually planned to shag one particular girl at the Mango when I come back in December who I only talked to before.. Guess I have to cancel that plan now…
- I take it you were not referring to were not one of the ‘fatties’ you mention?
Let YP know the details.. For a small fee (he’s really cheap) I’m sure he’d arrange a night with your chosen girl that you’ll not forget.
View all comments by Day Walker
Day Walker, you are such a caring person. Your mom must be proud of you. With the girl I meant Nuch in fact. Somehow I am too stupid to get laid with her when in BKK. I am a loser.
Since YP is in his early 20’s as far as I understand and already showed us his butt on the new Nana Escalator I come to the conclusion he must be really cute and a threesome with him and Nuch is mostly desirable for me.
Will YP also wear his stockings as he did at the new BM opening? I would pay lot’s of cash just for this. In the meantime, Daywalker, please take care of Nuch and YP well and don’t let them rust at their important body parts.
View all comments by Phoenix
There you go Penfold…. the backdoor of opportunity beckons for you.
View all comments by Day Walker
“First, I do not like giving out a lot of personal information on an open forum. There are a lot of crazies in the world.”
Indeed…..
View all comments by Jeza
I’ve never had the pleasure of meeting Kenny, but from his articles I would say he’s Asian American, thirties, ex-US military, likes playing poker and Nintendo Wii, rides a motorbike, drinks in the Mango and wears ‘dress pants’. When you’re writing this kind of writing personal info of a kind will always leak out
And no, I’m not Keith Summers.
View all comments by Milo